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Re: Jimmy Savile
by Basil Sat 10 Nov 2012, 09:42
And the chance current police investigations securing convictions for sexual abuse of children just got smaller - well done the BBC! 
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Re: Jimmy Savile
by Basil Sat 10 Nov 2012, 18:54
Just heard a repeat of Entwhistle's interview on Today - he was totally kebabbed by John Humphries. Dead man walking.
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Re: Jimmy Savile
by PeterCS Sat 10 Nov 2012, 22:39
Entwistle goes.
Maybe they should appoint Alec Stewart next.
Maybe they should appoint Alec Stewart next.
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Re: Jimmy Savile
by skully Sat 10 Nov 2012, 22:41
So Savile is now being ranked one of Britain's most prolific pedophiles?? Big call given the number of priests in Blighty. 
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Re: Jimmy Savile
by tricycle Sun 11 Nov 2012, 02:30
Gary Glitter was only number one in one thing. Now he's having that stolen from him too. Savile's idiocy knows no bounds.
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Re: Jimmy Savile
by PeterCS Sun 11 Nov 2012, 11:44
Idiocy?
Extreme shyness and emotionally stunted childhood > sociopathy > flamboyant shows eccentricity (with interest in musical and clothes fashions) > music jobs (> secret choosing/creating and manipulating "groupies", the younger the better) > greater flamboyant eccentricity (with better-known interest in musical and clothes fashions) > sense of power, unquestioned > running bloody riot with child abuse?
A very old-fashioned way to "come to terms" with emotional deprivation in one's own childhood. Take it out on (other) kids, or else get into bullshit like spanking, clothes fetishes, etc. etc. Irrational stuff. Doesn't heal the original deprivation and denied cravings for love, affection, physical intimacy and more generally, attention - it just spreads the needs and denials into damage and abuse of others.
Extreme shyness and emotionally stunted childhood > sociopathy > flamboyant shows eccentricity (with interest in musical and clothes fashions) > music jobs (> secret choosing/creating and manipulating "groupies", the younger the better) > greater flamboyant eccentricity (with better-known interest in musical and clothes fashions) > sense of power, unquestioned > running bloody riot with child abuse?
A very old-fashioned way to "come to terms" with emotional deprivation in one's own childhood. Take it out on (other) kids, or else get into bullshit like spanking, clothes fetishes, etc. etc. Irrational stuff. Doesn't heal the original deprivation and denied cravings for love, affection, physical intimacy and more generally, attention - it just spreads the needs and denials into damage and abuse of others.
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Re: Jimmy Savile
by Red Fri 29 Mar 2013, 07:36
embee wrote:Rolf arrested
Two Little Boys has new meaning
On our news they didn't name him, said his name would only be released if he was charged.
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Re: Jimmy Savile
by skully Fri 29 Mar 2013, 07:41
As soon as they said "82 year old famous Aus entertainer" I said to my Mum "oh no, not Rolf".embee wrote:Rolf arrested
Two Little Boys has new meaning
Apparently* the Twitterverse has been running hot with the news, with no qualms about naming him.
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Re: Jimmy Savile
by LeFromage Fri 29 Mar 2013, 07:57
Not Rolf!
Anyone but Rolf. Savile was no great surprise as he was always a sinister weirdo. But Rolf was a far more cuddly weirdo.
"Can you tell what it is yet?"
Anyone but Rolf. Savile was no great surprise as he was always a sinister weirdo. But Rolf was a far more cuddly weirdo.
"Can you tell what it is yet?"
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Re: Jimmy Savile
by OP Tipping Fri 29 Mar 2013, 09:13
"Two little boys"
I think in all this, the vics are underage girls.
I think in all this, the vics are underage girls.
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Re: Jimmy Savile
by Brass Monkey Fri 29 Mar 2013, 09:24
Dello wrote:Not Rolf!
Anyone but Rolf. Savile was no great surprise as he was always a sinister weirdo. But Rolf was a far more cuddly weirdo.
"Can you tell what it is yet?"
This is my first reaction - the likes of Jim Davidson and DLT have always had this sinister edge, but not Rolf. Terrible times.
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Re: Jimmy Savile
by G.Wood Fri 29 Mar 2013, 09:33
OP Tipping wrote:"Two little boys"
I think in all this, the vics are underage girls.
Not quite all. 82% of the victims to have come forward were female and 80% underaged at the time
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Re: Jimmy Savile
by JGK Fri 29 Mar 2013, 09:44
Suggests that it is an a type of accessory ie Rolf knew but didn't report it.
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Re: Jimmy Savile
by G.Wood Fri 29 Mar 2013, 09:50
That reminds me of the time that for my birthday I told my parents I wanna watch.
So they let me
So they let me
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Re: Jimmy Savile
by beamer Fri 29 Mar 2013, 13:27
With all the names flying around in relation to this, the 70s and 80s may have to be virtually airbrushed out of history in a music/entertainment sense. Although hopefully most are just uninformed speculation by association...
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Re: Jimmy Savile
by JGK Tue 02 Apr 2013, 04:08
Crikey's take on why the MSM aren't naming RH
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The mystery arrested 'star': red-tops grow a conscience
MATTHEW KNOTT
Crikey media journalist
It sounds like a tabloid editor's dream front page: one of Australia's best known, and most loved, entertainers is arrested by Scotland Yard detectives on suspicion of s-xual offences. Although police officers have not identified him, all the major media outlets in the UK and Australia know who he is. So does anyone who's active on Twitter -- or anyone who googles his name.
On Thursday, Tom Savage, deputy news editor of UK tabloid the Daily Star Sunday, tweeted the man's name. His identity had been confirmed, he added, by two sources close to Operation Yewtree, which was formed in the aftermath of the BBC Jimmy Savile scandal. Controversial broadcaster Derryn Hinch has also named him on Twitter.
Yet no mainstream media outlets have named the man -- anywhere in the world. In the Australian press, he has simply been identified as an 82-year-old "entertainer" or "showbiz star".
"It's a very good question," one News Limited editor told Crikey this morning when asked why the man has not been identified. "We name Rebekah Brooks every time she gets arrested. I don't know why we aren't naming him."
The editor says it's a "live discussion" within the paper whether the man should be named.
Media lawyer Mark Polden says there's no apparent legal reason to keep the name secret. "Normally people would report it when a person is arrested," he said. "The red-tops would usually have this all over the front page."
Even if a suppression order had been issued in the UK -- and there is no evidence one has -- it would not apply in Australia.
A media lawyer, who has consulted for News Limited, says he reckons the decision not to identify the man was taken for editorial rather than legal reasons. Editors have apparently decided to protect his identity due to the damage to his reputation and reports of his mental health decline. For now, Crikey makes the same decision.
When the entertainer was first questioned in November, friends close to him told News Limited's Charles Miranda he was "almost suicidal". According to recent reports by Miranda, he is "fragile". The Mirror quoted one friend as saying he is in "excruciating agony and at his wits' end".
The man may also not have been named because of suspicions charges will not be laid. The Daily Mail reported last week that only three of the 11 men arrested over suspected s-x offences in the aftermath of the Savile scandal are likely to be charged.
The British media may also be doubly cautious after the BBC’s Newsnight program last year broadcast a report falsely accusing (but not naming) a prominent Conservative, Lord McAlpine, of child abuse.
Nevertheless, Derryn Hinch believes the man should be named because it is "a fact".
"There is no legal restraint on naming [X] as long as you don't imply guilt," he said. "It's a joke -- Twitter has been all over it for days ... I'm puzzled and I think it's absolutely hypocritical of them not to do it. [Hey Dad star] Robert Hughes was on every newspaper front page long before he was charged."
On the weekend, Sunday Telegraph deputy editor Claire Harvey wrote she was "proud" the paper had not named the entertainer:
"To name him at this point -- before he has been charged -- is, I think, totally unfair.
"He is a globally famous man whose reputation will be completely wrecked by any suggestion of s-xual impropriety."
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Re: Jimmy Savile
by horace Tue 02 Apr 2013, 04:28
one of the reports I heard this morning was that the un named person knew of the Saville behaviour but had not reported it ...
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Re: Jimmy Savile
by Hass Tue 02 Apr 2013, 04:46
JGK wrote:
Nevertheless, Derryn Hinch believes the man should be named because it is "a fact".
Well if Derryn Hinch says he should be named then what have we got to worry about?
Steve Vizard nailed Hinch's schtick 20 years ago.
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Re: Jimmy Savile
by Henry Tue 02 Apr 2013, 06:30
He does have a point here-
"There is no legal restraint on naming [X] as long as you don't imply guilt," he said. "It's a joke -- Twitter has been all over it for days ... I'm puzzled and I think it's absolutely hypocritical of them not to do it. [Hey Dad star] Robert Hughes was on every newspaper front page long before he was charged."
It's a dangerous thing when the media starts applying its own self-censorship when it feels like it. Besides, you'd have to be retarded to not put it all together and realise the person in question is Rolph Harris. FACT- The man was arrested.
Another problem could be that apparently after Leveson, British Police are no longer commenting off the record. Ie, before, a Journo would ask, "Would I be WRONG if I write that the person who was arrested is X" etc....
"There is no legal restraint on naming [X] as long as you don't imply guilt," he said. "It's a joke -- Twitter has been all over it for days ... I'm puzzled and I think it's absolutely hypocritical of them not to do it. [Hey Dad star] Robert Hughes was on every newspaper front page long before he was charged."
It's a dangerous thing when the media starts applying its own self-censorship when it feels like it. Besides, you'd have to be retarded to not put it all together and realise the person in question is Rolph Harris. FACT- The man was arrested.
Another problem could be that apparently after Leveson, British Police are no longer commenting off the record. Ie, before, a Journo would ask, "Would I be WRONG if I write that the person who was arrested is X" etc....
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