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Post by Henry on Sun Jan 06, 2008 8:43 am

They said that Bucknor was one of their best umpires as well. Fact is, apart from Taufel and Dar, the word "best" is used rather liberally when it comes to the ICC's "elite" panel.
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Re: The repercussions

Post by Blackadder_ on Sun Jan 06, 2008 8:56 am

Simple solution, return to the pre neutral umpire system.

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Post by doremi on Sun Jan 06, 2008 8:57 am

tac wrote:
furriner wrote:
tac wrote:And I think you are blowing it out of proportion.

I don't.

tac wrote:I just never like to put the worst possible spin on things . . . maybe I wasn't born to be a victim.

I saw what I saw tac.

Yep. But because I'm not so emotional about this sort of thing and prefer to think the best of people, I saw something much different. Let's agree to differ on this one.

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Re: The repercussions

Post by tac on Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:00 am

doremi wrote:
tac wrote:
furriner wrote:
tac wrote:And I think you are blowing it out of proportion.

I don't.

tac wrote:I just never like to put the worst possible spin on things . . . maybe I wasn't born to be a victim.

I saw what I saw tac.

Yep. But because I'm not so emotional about this sort of thing and prefer to think the best of people, I saw something much different. Let's agree to differ on this one.

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Re: The repercussions

Post by please don't yell on Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:05 am

So what about the big cricket boards like CA ECB and BCCI take some of that cash they are making out of one day and 20/20 cricket and invest it in improving world wide umpiring standards.

We are a long way off having foolproof technology for all umpiring decisions, so rather than everybody crying like little kiddies why don't people actually start coming up with a few plausible ideas on how to improve umpiring standards.

Or everybody could just keep complaining about the umps we do have, that's sure to make things better right?

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Re: The repercussions

Post by Henry on Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:09 am

Appointing younger men would be a good start. In what other proffesional sport is a guy close to 70 allowed to umpire? Snooker? Lawn bowls?
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Post by Ross on Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:10 am

We are a long way off having foolproof technology for all umpiring decisions

Indeed. This was nicely illustrated today too. The Aussie media have been sooking for technology to aid the umpires throughout the Test, yet today the rag writers all said Token should have been out LBW first ball despite Hawk-Eye clearly indicating otherwise. Either accept the technology 100% of the time or don't use it.
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Re: The repercussions

Post by Mick Sawyer on Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:13 am

*Buckaroo* wrote:ICC being controlled by Aus is the worst thing to happen for cricket.

You or Mudge? Who has the saddest life I wonder, not that I'd give a feck if either of you topped yourselves.
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Re: The repercussions

Post by Zat on Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:14 am

Mick Sawyer wrote:
*Buckaroo* wrote:ICC being controlled by Aus is the worst thing to happen for cricket.

You or Mudge? Who has the saddest life I wonder, not that I'd give a feck if either of you topped yourselves.
Seconded.

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Re: The repercussions

Post by *Buckaroo* on Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:17 am

Mick Sawyer wrote:
*Buckaroo* wrote:ICC being controlled by Aus is the worst thing to happen for cricket.

You or Mudge? Who has the saddest life I wonder, not that I'd give a feck if either of you topped yourselves.


So that inbred slime Malcolm Speed is the best thing that happened to cricket ?
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Re: The repercussions

Post by please don't yell on Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:19 am

Henry wrote:Appointing younger men would be a good start. In what other proffesional sport is a guy close to 70 allowed to umpire? Snooker? Lawn bowls?

So either we aren't getting skilled enough young men ready to umpire or they aren't getting chances.

Either way we don't really know enough about umpiring to say, we all know how to whinge about them but how much is spent by the ICC on training umps?

How active are each board of control when it comes to umpire training?

Why do big countries like India struggle to produce world class umps when the game is a religion there?

the fact that the media never raises these questions should be a concern, it's just constant carping and crying that the ones we have aren't good enough, it's childish and pointless.

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Re: The repercussions

Post by *Buckaroo* on Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:21 am

Why don't ex-international players be appointed as umpires ?

I mean there is a pretty large pool to choose from
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Re: The repercussions

Post by Mick Sawyer on Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:22 am

"Furry, I think you're being a bit tough on Punter"

I'd agree with tac in this instance furry. You may not have noticed that the grill of his visor smashed into the turf as he landed, after he'd made a terrific effort to turn and lunge. With the adrenalin & a head knock I don't believe he can be slammed as for that appeal.
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Re: The repercussions

Post by Basil on Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:24 am

please don't yell wrote:
Henry wrote:Appointing younger men would be a good start. In what other proffesional sport is a guy close to 70 allowed to umpire? Snooker? Lawn bowls?

So either we aren't getting skilled enough young men ready to umpire or they aren't getting chances.

Either way we don't really know enough about umpiring to say, we all know how to whinge about them but how much is spent by the ICC on training umps?

How active are each board of control when it comes to umpire training?

Why do big countries like India struggle to produce world class umps when the game is a religion there?

the fact that the media never raises these questions should be a concern, it's just constant carping and crying that the ones we have aren't good enough, it's childish and pointless.

To be honest, who would want to be on the international panel anyway. Both Peter Willey and Neil Mallender said "No thanks" for family reasons. A real pity in Willey's case, because he's as good as they come and would command respect from the players - well, would you argue with him?

A larger panel is needed. Alternatively go back to having one umpire from the host country. With all the technologogy on show these days, I don't think there's much scope for "home" umpiring.
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Re: The repercussions

Post by please don't yell on Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:24 am

Well that ones easy to answer, cricket makes billions and yet the umpires aren't that well paid in relation to how much spotlight shines on them.

it's more profitable for ex players to head into other areas.

If we dramatically increase pay rates for all umpiring levels we will see more competition and logically a higher standard.

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Re: The repercussions

Post by *Buckaroo* on Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:26 am

Umpiring is tough business, you just gotta stand out in the sun for the entire day. Rudi Koertzen even has some type of skin cancer on his upper lip as a result of excessive exposure to sun/outdoors.

Nobody wants this gruesome job I guess.
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Re: The repercussions

Post by tac on Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:28 am

I think 3 umpires for each test with each umpire only standing for 4 hours a day. Surely, they tire over the 5 days and this would take some pressure off them.
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Re: The repercussions

Post by Henry on Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:28 am

Simon Taufel actually practices his umpiring by umpiring during the players' net sessions. That way he can ask a batsman questions and get a genuinely honest answer- "I thought it was out...but did you hit it?" etc.... Does Bucknor do that? Or is he too busy purchasing his gout pills?


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Re: The repercussions

Post by Mick Sawyer on Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:29 am

Henry wrote:Appointing younger men would be a good start. In what other proffesional sport is a guy close to 70 allowed to umpire? Snooker? Lawn bowls?

He's 61, although you were closer to the truth than usual.
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Re: The repercussions

Post by please don't yell on Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:30 am

I like that idea, all these ideas will cost the big cricket boards and the ICC plenty of cash though.

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Re: The repercussions

Post by furriner on Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:30 am

Mick Sawyer wrote:"Furry, I think you're being a bit tough on Punter"

I'd agree with tac in this instance furry. You may not have noticed that the grill of his visor smashed into the turf as he landed, after he'd made a terrific effort to turn and lunge. With the adrenalin & a head knock I don't believe he can be slammed as for that appeal.

Mick, this is how I saw it: You have the ball in your hand palm down. The ball touches the ground with some impact. IMVHO, there is no way you cannot sense that contact with the ground has been made. No farking way, including whether you're lunging, twisting etc. I have played enough cricket - at the village idiots level as I keep saying, but a lot of it- to believe this with certainty.
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Re: The repercussions

Post by *Buckaroo* on Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:30 am

I doubt it's 61, Jamaica is pretty close to Pakistan culturally with respect to stating ages.
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Re: The repercussions

Post by tac on Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:33 am

furriner wrote:
Mick Sawyer wrote:"Furry, I think you're being a bit tough on Punter"

I'd agree with tac in this instance furry. You may not have noticed that the grill of his visor smashed into the turf as he landed, after he'd made a terrific effort to turn and lunge. With the adrenalin & a head knock I don't believe he can be slammed as for that appeal.

Mick, this is how I saw it: You have the ball in your hand palm down. The ball touches the ground with some impact. IMVHO, there is no way you cannot sense that contact with the ground has been made. No farking way, including whether you're lunging, twisting etc. I have played enough cricket - at the village idiots level as I keep saying, but a lot of it- to believe this with certainty.

Ponting also had a close catch in the first innings and immediately said not out.
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Re: The repercussions

Post by please don't yell on Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:34 am

At least we are on the right page now, some constructive ideas on how we can attract younger people to umpiring, the larger the pool the larger the wages the higher the competition for top spots.

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Re: The repercussions

Post by furriner on Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:34 am

Also Mick, tac suggests I may be getting emotional on this. I know that is not a fact. I have not commented on Clarke's appeal because I don't think about it the same way. That is just the game, it comes and goes. I strongly feel Ponting was different, which is why I am saying what I am saying.

Which is not to deny your guys the victory. Full credit.
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