Rules question

by taipan Sat 22 Nov 2008, 09:14

If a hit hits the boundary rope on the full is it 6 or 4. I seem to recall it was 6 but last night it happened twice and a 4 was given.

Was the rule changed?

by Basil Sat 22 Nov 2008, 09:46

I think it's 4 - doesn't the ball have to "clear" the boundary to be a six?

If a ball hit the old Lime Tree at Canterbury, 4 was always awarded even if the hit would palpably been a six at any other point of the ground.

by JKLever Sat 22 Nov 2008, 09:48

I believe their may be different rules in different competitions as i've seen hits smack the 'advertising toblerone' on the full and a 6 awarded.

by embee Sat 22 Nov 2008, 11:18

headquarters wrote:c) If a solid object is used to mark the boundary, it must have an edge or a line to constitute the boundary edge.
(i) For a rope, which includes any similar object of curved cross section lying on the ground, the boundary edge will be the line formed by the innermost points of the rope along its length.

Should be six if it hits the rope on the full

by Paul Keating Sat 22 Nov 2008, 11:21

I would have thought it was a four.

by JGK Sat 22 Nov 2008, 11:30

It'd been 4 for as long as I can remember.

by doremi Sat 22 Nov 2008, 11:35

I've always played with it being a six if it bounces on the ropes. :|

by WideWally Sat 22 Nov 2008, 11:42

I thought it would be a six. I recall a discussion about this on Ch9 a year or so back & the rules that embee posted were given as evidence.

by JGK Sat 22 Nov 2008, 11:50

I recall a JAMODI a few years ago when NZ almost chased down nearly 300 odd against the Safs with the penultimate ball hitting the rope on the full and only being awarded 4 when 6 I think would have tied the match.

by skully Sat 22 Nov 2008, 11:53

What the fark does the word "fence" mean in English? FFS, just p!ss the ropes off, and anything that clears the fence is a zak, and anything that hits the fence is a four. Simple.

by The One Sat 22 Nov 2008, 11:58

http://www.lords.org/laws-and-spirit/laws-of-cricket/laws/law-19-boundaries,45,AR.html

2. Defining the boundary - boundary marking
(a) Wherever practicable the boundary shall be marked by means of a white line or a rope laid along the ground.

(b) If the boundary is marked by a white line,
(i) the inside edge of the line shall be the boundary edge.
(ii) a flag, post or board used merely to highlight the position of a line marked on the ground must be placed outside the boundary edge and is not itself to be regarded as defining or marking the boundary. Note, however, the provisions of (c) below.

(c) If a solid object is used to mark the boundary, it must have an edge or a line to constitute the boundary edge.
(i) For a rope, which includes any similar object of curved cross section lying on the ground, the boundary edge will be the line formed by the innermost points of the rope along its length.
(ii) For a fence, which includes any similar object in contact with the ground, but with a flat surface projecting above the ground, the boundary edge will be the base line of the fence.

so, it should be a six

by embee Sat 22 Nov 2008, 12:13

skully wrote:What the fark does the word "fence" mean in English? FFS, just p!ss the ropes off, and anything that clears the fence is a zak, and anything that hits the fence is a four. Simple.

Duty of Care bullshit comes into play ...too many farqwits have ploughed into fences trying to stop a boundary and hurt themselves

by skully Sat 22 Nov 2008, 12:16

Just sums up how soft c0cked they've made the great game in the last 10 years.

by WideWally Sat 22 Nov 2008, 12:17

Cheap shot at Rick Darling!
Very Happy

by jim rich Sat 22 Nov 2008, 13:22

JGK wrote:It'd been 4 for as long as I can remember.

Assuming that was personal experience and if you got just 4 for those hits,
1. you've got more brawn than brain Laughing

or
2. you haven't been playing that long

It has always been a six (inside edge of a line = inside of a rope)

Interesting question would be; what if the rope has been shifted by a previous fielding slide and not properly replaced? Is it then a six or a four? I believe it is a four, if the ball drops between the original rope placement and its new position as only the new position can be accurately determined.

by embee Sat 22 Nov 2008, 13:39

(e) If a solid object used to mark the boundary is disturbed for any reason during play, then if possible it shall be restored to its original position as soon as the ball is dead. If this is not possible, then
(i) if some part of the fence or other marker has come within the field of play, that portion is to be removed from the field of play as soon as the ball is dead.
(ii) the line where the base of the fence or marker originally stood shall define the boundary edge

It will be a four if the marker isnt returned (unless there was a line marked)

by Guest Sat 22 Nov 2008, 14:43

It doesnt matter to me, im pleased with myself if i so much as manage to edge the damn thing.

by furriner Sat 22 Nov 2008, 15:49

Always thought it was six.

Isn't it six if a player takes a catch but his foot touches the boundary rope? Same principle I would think.

by Guest Sat 22 Nov 2008, 16:09

taipan wrote:If a hit hits the boundary rope on the full is it 6 or 4. I seem to recall it was 6 but last night it happened twice and a 4 was given.

Was the rule changed?

Did the ball then proceed over the rope, or stay within the boundary?

by embee Sat 22 Nov 2008, 21:47

Demelza wrote:
taipan wrote:If a hit hits the boundary rope on the full is it 6 or 4. I seem to recall it was 6 but last night it happened twice and a 4 was given.

Was the rule changed?
Did the ball then proceed over the rope, or stay within the boundary?

Doesn't make any difference

by Hass Sat 22 Nov 2008, 22:24

JGK wrote:I recall a JAMODI a few years ago when NZ almost chased down nearly 300 odd against the Safs with the penultimate ball hitting the rope on the full and only being awarded 4 when 6 I think would have tied the match.

That match sticks in my mind too - one of the most amazing one-dayers I've ever seen. It turned out to be anything but a JAMODI.

New Zealand had collapsed to 6 for 120-odd after 30 overs when Chris Cairns and Adam Parore went on the rampage. It was so close to being one of the greatest comebacks of all time.

As for the rule.

I've always known it to be four if it hits the rope on the full, but six if it hits the fence on the full.

by lardbucket Sat 22 Nov 2008, 23:46

should be 5

by peterg Sun 23 Nov 2008, 03:55

My dim memory says the rule was changed sometime soon after that memorable ODI. Previously it was 4, now 6.

by G.Wood Mon 24 Nov 2008, 02:36

tailender wrote:They are Laws not rules

by Zat Mon 24 Nov 2008, 02:38

embee wrote:
skully wrote:What the fark does the word "fence" mean in English? FFS, just p!ss the ropes off, and anything that clears the fence is a zak, and anything that hits the fence is a four. Simple.

Duty of Care bullshit comes into play ...too many farqwits have ploughed into fences trying to stop a boundary and hurt themselves

Graham Yallop, come on down...

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