Rules question

Yallop . . .what a qunt.

tac wrote:Yallop . . .what a qunt.

aye, it's little wonder he doesn't use his real name to forum and pretends to be some idiotic roman

Lol

G.Wood wrote:

tac wrote:Yallop . . .what a qunt.

aye, it's little wonder he doesn't use his real name to forum and pretends to be some idiotic roman

Not even Yallop could be that detatched from reality.

I don't know. In 1981 he genuinely thought he could play fast bowling

So no definitive answer.

I suppose if it hits the top of the rope its six, if it hits the inside edge its four.

Since everything is tilted the way of the batsman these days, the rule of thumb seems to be that it should be given as six.

its a six if it hits the ropes, unless at least some part of the ball hits the ground inside the line of the ropes

Not the decision that was made here on Friday.

Where is Rachel when we need her?

well, then its wrong according to the mcc laws i posted

The One wrote:well, then its wrong according to the mcc laws i posted

Did the rule say clear the boundary?

"(c) If a solid object is used to mark the boundary, it must have an edge or a line to constitute the boundary edge.
(i) For a rope, which includes any similar object of curved cross section lying on the ground, the boundary edge will be the line formed by the innermost points of the rope along its length."

so if the boundary edge is the inside of the rope then obviously any other part of the rope is outside the boundary and hence a six

As i said.

The One wrote:"(c) If a solid object is used to mark the boundary, it must have an edge or a line to constitute the boundary edge.
(i) For a rope, which includes any similar object of curved cross section lying on the ground, the boundary edge will be the line formed by the innermost points of the rope along its length."

so if the boundary edge is the inside of the rope then obviously any other part of the rope is outside the boundary and hence a six

Not conclusive.

What does the rule say about scoring 4 and 6

are you serious? a six is when it crosses the boundary without touching any part of the field. a 4 is when it bounces within the playing area and then crosses the boundary

The One wrote:are you serious? a six is when it crosses the boundary without touching any part of the field. a 4 is when it bounces within the playing area and then crosses the boundary

No, the rule I saw says it has to clear the boundary. Your definition of what constitutes the boundary therefore has no meaning in this context.

Should be a 6 , Taips

Even here we can't seem to reach a consensus

I'm not worried about a consensus ....I'm giving you the correct answer as per the Laws of Cricket ....It SHOULD have been given as a six ...the umpire must have mis-applied the Laws to signal them as 4's

Ball hits the rope on the full = six .

Consider this ... a fielder takes a catch a foot inside the rope, but his backward impetus results in him having one or both of his boots ON or touching the rope.

What's the signal from the umpire?
Six.

Well they gave it as a six in this game, so the Saffie umps were wrong

taips,

Should have been a six.

From M.C.C.'s Open Learning Manual (available from www.lords.org):

The boundary is ‘the edge of the world’ for the field of play. It is important to realise that the boundary is an edge, in exactly the same way that a crease is an edge. Exactly where this edge is – along its whole length - must be agreed between captains and umpires before the toss.

In the case of the boundary rope, or moronic boundary rope advertising triangular whatyamacallit, the boundary is defined by the Laws as the inside edge of the rope or triangular piece of idiocy. Therefore if the ball hits the rope/whatnot, then it has been grounded beyond the inside edge of the rope/thingo ("the boundary") and is a boundary 6.

It's the same thing as the situation when the bat is on the white line at one of the creases (the "crease marking") but not beyond the back edge of that line ("the crease") resulting in the batsman being Run out.

Law 19.4 states:

(b) Unless agreed differently under (a) above, the allowances for boundaries shall be 6 runs if the ball having been struck by the bat pitches beyond the boundary, but otherwise 4 runs.

Law 19.3 states:

(c) The phrase ‘grounded beyond the boundary’ shall mean contact with
either (i) any part of a line or a solid object marking the boundary, except its boundary edge
or (ii) the ground outside the boundary edge
or (iii) any object in contact with the ground outside the boundary edge.

In the umpire's defence, significant changes were made to the Law in respect of boundaries in the last full re-write of the Laws in 2000. Although that Code has now been in force for just over eight years, a significantly high proportion of umpires trained under the 1980 Code, and almost all of those who had earlier played the game would have played under the 1980 Code (or even the 1947 Code!). He needs to go back to umpires' bootcamp though.

ps. They're "Laws", not "Rules"...

Just picked this at random as Rachel did contribute