Monty Panesar - stats analysis by Continent

UK 80 wickets @ 27
Asia 16 @ 58
Oceania 21 @ 33.85


Very interesting discussion was had by Nasser Hussain & Alec Stewart before the match today about Monty basically saying his lack of variety has been a hindrance on the sub-con where almost every ball turns albeit slowly. Whereas elsewhere only the odd ball turns which provides his metronome action with its own variety as well as the duke ball giving him extra bounce.

Is Monty the ultimate home track bowling bully?

As a Panesar Fan, I think he should go back to Domestic Cricket to find some fresh form, because we all know what he did to Pakistan in his first home series. I want to see more of the Confident Variation-filled Panesar, not a "robotic", "repetitive" one that he's displayed recently. Which I can only blame on the inclusion of Ashley Giles as a selector, who is still bitter. At the moment, Panesars Ashes place hangs by a thread. Needs to take wickets against India tomorrow to stay in the hunt for a place on the West Indies tour and eventually the Ashes afterwards.

The whole point is it's been the repetetive robot action that has brought him success on these shores, where the odd ball turns which provides him with the variety he otherwise doesn't seem to have.

This 'return to first class cricket' is bollocks. What is he going to learn in games against Direbyshire that he obviously has been unable to do in 34!!! test matches...?

Isn't the problem that he is overrated?

His figures in England would suggest not?

27 is a great average?

taipan wrote:27 is a great average?

Find me an orthodox spinner that does better?

Never going to rip through sides like Warne or the CBER

He has about the same average overall as Harris.

taipan wrote:He has about the same average overall as Harris.

Sure.

Harris, Vettori & Panesar are all orthodox - hence why as a 'home track bully' - 27 for them would be as good an average as it gets I think.

Well my point is that everyone here keeps telling me how crap Harris is.

Monty had bags more variety when he came into the side. Casepoint is any of his first 3 series (IND, SL, PAK) - he wasn't the most successful but it's clear as day if you watch any of the matches.

27 at home is not too shabby. would be more interesting to see it spilt according to opposition

at the moment he looks very ordinary - up-down darts at 95 k. yuvraj looks more threatening, which tells you a lot

Yeah, he's been poor without ever being abominable.

taipan wrote:Well my point is that everyone here keeps telling me how crap Harris is.

Really? I said before the SA series not to underestimate him.

It was apparent when to two met who was the better spinner. Harris was sheer gash.

Despite the same average?

Brass Monkey wrote:Monty had bags more variety when he came into the side. Casepoint is any of his first 3 series (IND, SL, PAK) - he wasn't the most successful but it's clear as day if you watch any of the matches.

Yep, Danny, he has gone backwards . . . many moons ago I suggested he might not be in the team long term, and I think Swan is certainly a better bet than can't field, can't bat, lately can't take wickets, Mon-tay . ..

A Pommy spinner with a bowling average in Australia under 40 is a flamin' miracle.

Hey, Murali averages 75 . . . .

Did Monty ever really have variety? He's been bowling at 90 kph since I first saw him. Maybe he's less successful now because sides have worked him out? Gambhir had it right today- Attack him early and everything gets fired in flat after that. Monty falls for the trap every time. He's so naive, which is the main problem.

Henry wrote:Did Monty ever really have variety? He's been bowling at 90 kph since I first saw him. Maybe he's less successful now because sides have worked him out? Gambhir had it right today- Attack him early and everything gets fired in flat after that. Monty falls for the trap every time. He's so naive, which is the main problem.

Irony so thick you can can it . . .

Partly being worked out.

Partly diseased by one-day cricket.

Started out well, flighted, big turn < see for yourself

Monty is the best finger spinner we have had since Deadly. Yes, he's going through a poor patch and maybe needs to be dropped.

His problem is that he doesn't think enough about his bowling. he may need a spell back in the county game to develop his bowling.

Has he thought about seeking out Bishan Bedi for a few coaching sessions? Monty's in India, Bedi is in India, Monty is a left arm spinner, Bedi was a left arm spinner, Bedi coached Monty in his early days....Any team management with the slightest bit of 'oomph' would be on the ball with this type of thing and would have had Bedi at England training quick smart. Sigh....

He just hasn't developed as a player in the slightest. He's not alone in that regard - he's just copping all the attention because spinners tend to be the main focus on sub-continental tours.

I can't think of a single player who has developed or improved or progressed or matured or whatever you want to call it since Peter Moores took over. Not one.

Panesar, like Cook, has gone backwards if anything.