Is Steyn a one year wonder?

The entire first page is gold.

Funnily enough, only Doremi (and me, because I didn't post) came out of the first page with any sageness.

Where is Doremi by the way? Did he flounce off as well?

'On the evidence of this test he hasn't improved from the pie chucker he looked the last time he visited these shores'

that's up there with 'the best forum quotes of all time', including E_O's question about Warnie's lack of 5-fors

A mighty bowler. Doesn't seem to produce his best against England. In fact, if Trotty wasn't in the team he'd probably be Bungesque

He seems to bowl within himself most of the time, and only cranks it right up occasionally.

Hasn't everyone?

Red wrote:I bet SA would swap him for Sharma any day of the week. He hasn't really bowled that quickly and has lacked variation and yorkers.

... thoughts?

lardbucket wrote:... thoughts?

your thread resurrection is occasionally a little cruel but this one is downright ****** sadistic

not that theres anything wrong with that

Didn't Red write AB off at about the same time.

taipan wrote:Didn't Red write AB off at about the same time.

I thought AB was a great talent when he first came to these shores. He remains to this day one of the best batsmen in the world and arguably the best all-round cricketer if we take adaptability/fielding etc. into account.

Anyway I rated Philander before he had played a test but you thought he was a useless quota player.

Red wrote:

taipan wrote:Didn't Red write AB off at about the same time.

I thought AB was a great talent when he first came to these shores. He remains to this day one of the best batsmen in the world and arguably the best all-round cricketer if we take adaptability/fielding etc. into account.

Anyway I rated Philander before he had played a test but you thought he was a useless quota player.

So you wrote off someone who was on 136@22.67 and rated someone that had yet to play a test.

Says a lot about your thought processes.

taipan wrote:

Red wrote:

taipan wrote:Didn't Red write AB off at about the same time.

I thought AB was a great talent when he first came to these shores. He remains to this day one of the best batsmen in the world and arguably the best all-round cricketer if we take adaptability/fielding etc. into account.

Anyway I rated Philander before he had played a test but you thought he was a useless quota player.

So you wrote off someone who was on 136@22.67 and rated someone that had yet to play a test.

Says a lot about your  thought processes.

You know for a fact that I have generally been praiseworthy of Steyn over the years. Anyway one might argue that rating someone based on observation (not merely relying on stats) shows discernment. Just for your information, Stackpole doesn't rate Steyn. Not bigging up him but interesting to note that top players polarise ex-test cricketers.

Red wrote:

taipan wrote:

Red wrote:

taipan wrote:Didn't Red write AB off at about the same time.

I thought AB was a great talent when he first came to these shores. He remains to this day one of the best batsmen in the world and arguably the best all-round cricketer if we take adaptability/fielding etc. into account.

Anyway I rated Philander before he had played a test but you thought he was a useless quota player.

So you wrote off someone who was on 136@22.67 and rated someone that had yet to play a test.

Says a lot about your  thought processes.

You know for a fact that I have generally been praiseworthy of Steyn over the years. Anyway one might argue that rating someone based on observation (not merely relying on stats) shows discernment. Just for your information, Stackpole doesn't rate Steyn. Not bigging up him but interesting to note that top players polarise ex-test cricketers.

So exactly where did you observe Philander before his test debut?

JAMODI

Red wrote:

taipan wrote:

Red wrote:

taipan wrote:Didn't Red write AB off at about the same time.

I thought AB was a great talent when he first came to these shores. He remains to this day one of the best batsmen in the world and arguably the best all-round cricketer if we take adaptability/fielding etc. into account.

Anyway I rated Philander before he had played a test but you thought he was a useless quota player.

So you wrote off someone who was on 136@22.67 and rated someone that had yet to play a test.

Says a lot about your  thought processes.

You know for a fact that I have generally been praiseworthy of Steyn over the years. Anyway one might argue that rating someone based on observation (not merely relying on stats) shows discernment. Just for your information, Stackpole doesn't rate Steyn. Not bigging up him but interesting to note that top players polarise ex-test cricketers.

Stackpole doesn't rate Steyn? Where does that piece of coprolite come from?

lardbucket wrote:

Red wrote:

taipan wrote:

Red wrote:

taipan wrote:Didn't Red write AB off at about the same time.

I thought AB was a great talent when he first came to these shores. He remains to this day one of the best batsmen in the world and arguably the best all-round cricketer if we take adaptability/fielding etc. into account.

Anyway I rated Philander before he had played a test but you thought he was a useless quota player.

So you wrote off someone who was on 136@22.67 and rated someone that had yet to play a test.

Says a lot about your  thought processes.

You know for a fact that I have generally been praiseworthy of Steyn over the years. Anyway one might argue that rating someone based on observation (not merely relying on stats) shows discernment. Just for your information, Stackpole doesn't rate Steyn. Not bigging up him but interesting to note that top players polarise ex-test cricketers.

Stackpole doesn't rate Steyn? Where does that piece of coprolite come from?

He toured with us in the Windies. He thought that Steyn was a real front-runner which I did question over breakfast. Stacky seems a bit influenced perhaps by personal experiences though because at the end of the tour there was a prolonged question and answer session where all the tour party were allowed to ask him any cricket questions. Most asked probing ones about the players he encountered during his career. For example he rated Ian much more highly as a batsman than Greg but he had confided to me that he can't abide the latter as a person. One amusing thing was that he said ad nauseam that both Brathwaite and Cowan couldn't bat at all so I did snigger a bit when the former made a ton the other night.

All that suggests to me is that Stackpole swallows chappelli's opinions and passes them, undigested.

So Chappelli doesn't rate Steyn either?

How is it even possible to not rate Steyn? In an era where batsmen have generally dominated he has maintained an average of around 22 and has one of the best strike rates of all time.

I can't believe I even had to type that.

Ethics? The Gall! wrote:

lardbucket wrote:... thoughts?

your thread resurrection is occasionally a little cruel but this one is downright ****** sadistic

not that theres anything wrong with that

Occasionally? Good fun if you're not the target though.

Crackerjack thread!!!

I have read that some of the Chappells' contemporaries rated Ian as the better bat in all conditions than Greg, but Steyn a one season wonder? Yeah right!

Basil wrote:I have read that some of the Chappells' contemporaries rated Ian as the better bat in all conditions than Greg

ian chappell and allan border top the who you want batting for your life list.  like ricky ponting ian was a superb natural athlete who could have excelled at any number of sports while greg was born to play cricket . two very different guys

but Steyn a one season wonder? Yeah right!

 its just been a ****** lllllllloooooooooonnnnnnnnnnggggggggg season

Ethics? The Gall! wrote:

Basil wrote:I have read that some of the Chappells' contemporaries rated Ian as the better bat in all conditions than Greg

ian chappell and allan border top the who you want batting for your life list.  like ricky ponting ian was a superb natural athlete who could have excelled at any number of sports while greg was born to play cricket . two very different guys

but Steyn a one season wonder? Yeah right!

 its just been a ****** lllllllloooooooooonnnnnnnnnnggggggggg season

This is what I thought: Greg is the one you would want to watch bat, but Ian is the one you want to bat for your life.

Basil wrote:

Ethics? The Gall! wrote:

Basil wrote:I have read that some of the Chappells' contemporaries rated Ian as the better bat in all conditions than Greg

ian chappell and allan border top the who you want batting for your life list.  like ricky ponting ian was a superb natural athlete who could have excelled at any number of sports while greg was born to play cricket . two very different guys

but Steyn a one season wonder? Yeah right!

 its just been a ****** lllllllloooooooooonnnnnnnnnnggggggggg season

This is what I thought: Greg is the one you would want to watch bat, but Ian is the one you want to bat for your life.

I wonder whether that is a bit of a myth though; Greg had a better technique and temperament.