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Re: Books and Beer

Post by Bradman on Sat 19 Sep 2009, 15:06

furriner wrote:
Bradman wrote:
furriner wrote:
The One wrote:[.............
one of capa's most famous images

A lot of people say he he faked it!

The first casualty of war. Maybe he was making a point?

The truth, yeah that's one way of looking at it.

Funny, his D Day landing pictures were actually ruined by the lab assistant, so the blurry, grainy images that are now so famous were a result of someone's f*ck up.

Probably should thank the lab assistant.
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Re: Books and Beer

Post by furriner on Sat 19 Sep 2009, 15:11

One more example of a great military memoir (WWI, Passchendaele), is AM Burrage, who was a fine ghost story writer, and published the following under the pseudonym 'Ex-Private X':

You can read part of it here: Excerpts from War is War

This is a really fine book, blends the savagery of war (WWI) with humour, action and great writing. This is the one war memoir I'd recommend above all.

AM Burrage was a very good writer; I do not have an image of the book cover so the man will have to do:



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Re: Books and Beer

Post by JKLever on Sat 19 Sep 2009, 15:12

Been reading a bit about the falklands war recently as I remember I sat avidly in front of my TV set as a 9 year old watching lots of grey old men report on it.

Just read 'Sea Harrier over the Falklands' by Sharkey Ward



Tells the story of how badly inter-service rivalry still affects the UK military. Essentially the Fleet Air Arm of the Royal Navy won the war and yet the RAF walked away with all the medals.
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Re: Books and Beer

Post by The One on Sat 19 Sep 2009, 15:12

all the images would have probably been quite blurry or grainy due to the situation they were shot in. those were the only ones left in some state of recovery. i dont know how someone manages to forgive someone for a situation like that

the spanish image is most likely a fake. but puts his point across

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Re: Books and Beer

Post by furriner on Sat 19 Sep 2009, 15:19

The One wrote:all the images would have probably been quite blurry or grainy due to the situation they were shot in. those were the only ones left in some state of recovery. i dont know how someone manages to forgive someone for a situation like that

the spanish image is most likely a fake. but puts his point across

The picture became world famous because they were blurry/ grainy since they encapsulated the shock and the chaos of the landing perfectly. For example:



So I suppose Capa must have forgiven the lab assistant, upon careful reconsideration. Laughing
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Re: Books and Beer

Post by furriner on Sat 19 Sep 2009, 15:23

Incidentally, you can read Richthofen's memoirs online:

The Red Baron.



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Re: Books and Beer

Post by furriner on Sat 19 Sep 2009, 15:26

Beer break. Tried this a few weeks ago. It is pretty good; somewhat sweet though.

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Re: Books and Beer

Post by furriner on Sat 19 Sep 2009, 15:36

JKLever wrote:Been reading a bit about the falklands war recently as I remember I sat avidly in front of my TV set as a 9 year old watching lots of grey old men report on it.

Just read 'Sea Harrier over the Falklands' by Sharkey Ward
...........

I haven't read much on the Falkland's war, this one sounds interesting.

Incidentally, and on a tangent, I remember reading that the air force was the only arm of the Argentine military that distinguished itself in that war. Their fighter pilots were supposed to be quite good.
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Re: Books and Beer

Post by WideWally on Sat 19 Sep 2009, 15:45

Is Sharkey Ward related to Stumpy Ward?



2001 - Good times
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Re: Books and Beer

Post by JKLever on Sat 19 Sep 2009, 16:32

furriner wrote:
JKLever wrote:Been reading a bit about the falklands war recently as I remember I sat avidly in front of my TV set as a 9 year old watching lots of grey old men report on it.

Just read 'Sea Harrier over the Falklands' by Sharkey Ward
...........

I haven't read much on the Falkland's war, this one sounds interesting.

Incidentally, and on a tangent, I remember reading that the air force was the only arm of the Argentine military that distinguished itself in that war. Their fighter pilots were supposed to be quite good.

They were very professional - trained by the Israelis. Though they still lost nearly half of their 140 or so combat aircraft. It's a fascinating war because it must be the last time 2 relatively well matched forces fought against each other - particularly at sea. Argentina had subs, an aircraft carrier, destroyers & a cruiser.
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Re: Books and Beer

Post by ten years after on Sun 20 Sep 2009, 01:13

JKLever wrote:
furriner wrote:
JKLever wrote:Been reading a bit about the falklands war recently as I remember I sat avidly in front of my TV set as a 9 year old watching lots of grey old men report on it.

Just read 'Sea Harrier over the Falklands' by Sharkey Ward
...........

I haven't read much on the Falkland's war, this one sounds interesting.

Incidentally, and on a tangent, I remember reading that the air force was the only arm of the Argentine military that distinguished itself in that war. Their fighter pilots were supposed to be quite good.

They were very professional - trained by the Israelis. Though they still lost nearly half of their 140 or so combat aircraft. It's a fascinating war because it must be the last time 2 relatively well matched forces fought against each other - particularly at sea. Argentina had subs, an aircraft carrier, destroyers & a cruiser.

The two sides weren't really very equal. The only doubt over the outcome was whether Britain had the politicl will.

Your statement JKL overlooks a war which should never be overlooked. The Iran Iraq war was fought out between two evenly matched foes to the extent that it descended into something quite barbaric. There were more than a million deaths on both sides with trench and chemical warfare.

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Re: Books and Beer

Post by Invader Zim on Sun 20 Sep 2009, 02:26

furriner wrote:
Invader Zim wrote:I prefer the Milligan version of the African campaign.

Laughing

They were pretty damn good.
Aye, very funny but also laced with some fairly harrowing memories.
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Re: Books and Beer

Post by Invader Zim on Sun 20 Sep 2009, 02:27

PeterCS wrote:
Excellent beer book.

Oddly enough, I only just found my copy of this book the other day, having mislaid it for over a year.
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Re: Books and Beer

Post by simkat on Sun 20 Sep 2009, 02:56

tac wrote:Decline and Fall . . . one the greatest Waugh books of all . . . give it a look, simkat.

Thanks, tac. I did give it a look. What a Face

In my book on Gallipoli, Les Carlyon describes the journalist Ashmead-Barlett thus:

Ashmead-Bartlett would have been well cast in Evelyn Waugh's Scoop. Had he been sent to Abyssinia in 1935, he would have immediately bought a mule train and hired a team of eunuchs to peel grapes for him.

Perhaps not the kind of Waugh I'm after? affraid
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Re: Books and Beer

Post by simkat on Sun 20 Sep 2009, 03:03

furriner wrote:For simkat, who only reads war books - well met. For if I were told that from here on I could read only one genre and nothing else, I would read war books.

Stalingrad is a difficult choice because I am yet to find a satisfying account of the battle although so much literature exists on the subject. What do you like to read - for example military history, socio-political analyses, soldier's memoirs?

Beevor's book is one, also try this (ignore the film art cover, the book has almost nothing to do with it)


Thanks so much, furriner.

Enemy At The Gates is one of my favourite films of all time so I think I will do myself a disservice if I don't go and order that book. I'm very intrigued now.

I'm going to come back to this thread tomorrow when all the Annoying People are at work/school. aces
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Re: Books and Beer

Post by tac on Sun 20 Sep 2009, 03:54

simkat wrote:
tac wrote:Decline and Fall . . . one the greatest Waugh books of all . . . give it a look, simkat.

Thanks, tac. I did give it a look. What a Face

In my book on Gallipoli, Les Carlyon describes the journalist Ashmead-Barlett thus:

Ashmead-Bartlett would have been well cast in Evelyn Waugh's Scoop. Had he been sent to Abyssinia in 1935, he would have immediately bought a mule train and hired a team of eunuchs to peel grapes for him.

Perhaps not the kind of Waugh I'm after? affraid

In that case, two excellent autobiagraphical accounts of the great war are "The middle parts of fortune" by Frederic Manning and "Under Fire" by Henri Barbusse, have a look if you've not already done so.
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Re: Books and Beer

Post by skully on Sun 20 Sep 2009, 07:47

Mmm beer. Gonna cook a Sunday night BBQ right now. Might have a cleansing one.
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Re: Books and Beer

Post by PeterCS on Sun 20 Sep 2009, 14:50

What's a cleansing one? Using a bottlebrush brush afterwards?

Or a wire brush? :O
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Re: Books and Beer

Post by furriner on Sun 20 Sep 2009, 16:39

tac wrote:
simkat wrote:
tac wrote:Decline and Fall . . . one the greatest Waugh books of all . . . give it a look, simkat.

Thanks, tac. I did give it a look. What a Face

In my book on Gallipoli, Les Carlyon describes the journalist Ashmead-Barlett thus:

Ashmead-Bartlett would have been well cast in Evelyn Waugh's Scoop. Had he been sent to Abyssinia in 1935, he would have immediately bought a mule train and hired a team of eunuchs to peel grapes for him.

Perhaps not the kind of Waugh I'm after? affraid

In that case, two excellent autobiagraphical accounts of the great war are "The middle parts of fortune" by Frederic Manning and "Under Fire" by Henri Barbusse, have a look if you've not already done so.

Do it right, FFS.



You can read it for free here. Linky..

It's a very good book; however, trying to read books in English translated from French is, I have found - trying.

The Manning book is great:



And you can read if for free here. Linky again.
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Re: Books and Beer

Post by eowyn on Sun 20 Sep 2009, 16:48

War is people killing each other in very horrific ways, nothing to get excited over. In fact it's incredibly depressing that people you thought were intelligent love it.
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Re: Books and Beer

Post by Bradman on Sun 20 Sep 2009, 16:53

Someone's got to do it.
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Re: Books and Beer

Post by eowyn on Sun 20 Sep 2009, 16:57

Why?
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Re: Books and Beer

Post by Bradman on Sun 20 Sep 2009, 17:11

Don't know. They don't even pay you that well.
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Re: Books and Beer

Post by eowyn on Sun 20 Sep 2009, 17:12

No, they never have. Humans are odd creatures.
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Re: Books and Beer

Post by Bradman on Sun 20 Sep 2009, 17:18

Very wierd. I guess that's why we keep killing each other and find people to do it on the cheap. Did I mention my cigarettes hadn't turned up yet and I'm about to nuke evrything in a ten mile radius.
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