England v Pakistan, 1st Test, Trent Bridge, July 29-Aug 2, 2010

Steyn is the best bowler in the world so yeah Jimmy is probably ******#****** 2 in swinging conditions

taipan wrote:

embee wrote:

skully wrote:That's a pretty clinical clean-up by Jimmy and Finn. 11-71 by Jimmy in the match. When was the previous best performance by a seamer in England? AD?

Mikey Holding in 76 (14/149)

or Fred Trueman in 63 for a Pom (12/119)

Harmless , Kiwi Nashy , Fot and Beefy all have 11 fors but for more than 71

Massie anyone?

72 is previous to 76

embee wrote:

taipan wrote:

embee wrote:

skully wrote:That's a pretty clinical clean-up by Jimmy and Finn. 11-71 by Jimmy in the match. When was the previous best performance by a seamer in England? AD?

Mikey Holding in 76 (14/149)

or Fred Trueman in 63 for a Pom (12/119)

Harmless , Kiwi Nashy , Fot and Beefy all have 11 fors but for more than 71

Massie anyone?

72 is previous to 76

16 ain't better than 11?

It is ...but Jimmy's is the best since Mikey's ....Fergie's is the best by a seamer all time in Pomgolia

Australian posters are NOT giving enough credit to Pakistan and are mainly blaming Dubya for the defeat JUST because he decided to bat 1st

skully wrote:That's a pretty clinical clean-up by Jimmy and Finn. 11-71 by Jimmy in the match. When was the previous best performance by a seamer in England? AD?

Sorry, Skulls, had a bit of a lie-in this morning after a late night so missed all the fun. You were spot on with your prediction of when the match would finish, I see. Anyway here's a few stats on the match which I think contains the answer to your question.

Pakistan's 2nd innings of 80 is their lowest ever score against England beating their previous worst of 87 made in their inaugural Test against England at Lord's in June 1954. It is also the lowest score in a Test at Trent Bridge sinking below the previous low marker of 88 by South Africa there in July 1960.

It is the 74th occasion England have dismissed a Test side for less than 100, the previous instance being 94 by the West Indies at the Kensington Oval in April 2004 and the previous instance in a domestic Test also being 94 by Zimbabwe at The Riverside in June 2003.

The previous occasion when England bowled out a side for less than 80 was at Sabina Park in March 2004 when the Windies were rolled over for 47 and in a domestic Test at Headingley in August 2000 when the Windies were also the recipients of a dismissal for a return of only 61.

It is the largest victory by England in terms of runs (innings victories set aside) in any domestic Test (and 2nd overall) beating the 289-run defeat of Australia in Percy Chapman's first match as captain at The Oval in August 1926.

Anderson's match figures of 11-71 are the second best by any England bowler against Pakistan beaten only by Derek Underwood's 13-71 at Lord's in August 1974. They are also the second best by any bowler at Trent Bridge beaten only by Alec Bedser's 14-99 against Australia in June 1953.

Anderson's 6-17 is the best innings figures by an England bowler since the 7-43 v. New Zealand in June 2008 also at Trent Bridge by...Jimmy Anderson. Since that was also the last occasion there was a Test at Trent Bridge Anderson has taken a 'fifer' in 3 of his last four innings bowling efforts there. It is also the best innings performance by an England bowler against Pakistan since Neil Foster's 8-107 at Headingley in July 1987.

The previous best innings performance by an England seam bowler who was not named Jimmy Anderson in a domestic Test (which I think answers your question) was also 7-43 by Dominic Cork in his debut Test v. the Windies at Lord's in June 1995 although Harmison took a remarkably similar 6-19 also against Pakistan at Old Trafford in July 2006 of which more below (of all England bowlers Phil Tufnell took 7-66 against Australia at The Oval in August 1997).

The last England bowler to have better figures in a domestic Test than Anderson in either of his last 2 Tests at Trent Bridge was Devon Malcolm with his 9-57 against South Africa at The Oval in August 1994. The last England bowler with better figures in all Tests than Anderson would be Steve Harmison with 7-12 against the Windies at Sabina Park in March 2004.

In terms of match figures Harmison's performance is I think the best since Matthew Hoggard's 12-205 against the Saffies at The Wanderers in January 2005 and in terms of England seam bowlers in domestic Tests the best since Fred Trueman's 12-119 against the Windies at Edgbaston in July 1963 (although Harmison took a very similar 11-76 at Old Trafford in 2006 as stated above).

Anderson is the first England bowler to take two 'fifers' in a match since Graham Swann's 5-90 & 5-127 against the Bangas at Chittagong last March and the first to do so in a domestic Test since Harmison's 6-19 & 5-57 in a remarkably similar performance in the innings defeat of Pakistan at Old Trafford on their last tour here in July 2006.

Anderson has become the 4th most prolific bowler in Tests at Trent Bridge collecting 28 wickets in 4 visits behind the late Sir Alec Bedser (41 in 6), Fred Trueman (32 in 5) and Shane Warne (29 in 4).

Apologies, Skulls, it looks as if I didn't answer your question since I confined it to England bowlers. I'll come back to you on that though.

wow take a bow AD

To answer your question properly, Skully, the best innings bowling by a seam bowler, if you can call him that, in England apart from Jimmy is Darren Sammy's 7-66 at Old Trafford in June 2007. The last by a genuine opening bowler is McGrath's 7-76 in "Butcher's Match" at Headingley in August 2001 (although obviously not in the innings where Butcher made his score).

The best figures before Anderson's 7-43 at Trent Bridge 2 years ago is Kasprowicz' 7-36 in England's 2nd innings at The Oval in August 1997 (McGrath had taken 7-76 in England's 1st). Interestingly, all these performances, unlike Anderson's, were on the losing side.

The best match figures, as Embee as pointed out above, are Holding's 14-149 at The Oval in August 1976, which was most definitely not on the losing side.

However I go back to Harmison's 11-76 also against Pakistan at Old Trafford 4 years ago which is so similar as to be almost identical. Even the innings figures (6-19 & 5-57) are virtually the same as Anderson's (5-54 & 6-17) although reversed. The slightly higher number of runs conceded in Harmy's case is probably due to his greater tendency to overstep.

the mans a walking talking forumming factbook!

Bring back Inzi!

On a serious note, if Pakistan:

1. Bring back Younis Khan
2. Push Malik up the order
3. Bring in a wicketkeeper
4. Practice playing swing

they've got themselves a decent side.

Kaneria has been released, and Mo Yousuf has been called up.

Really?!! Are you making things up again, Lever?

3 test matches was a LONG time with the yoyos
Time to bring Younis Khan back as well

What struck me in researching my statistical analysis above were the comparisons between now and four years ago when England also played Pakistan in a 4-match series before renewing the Ashes battle Down Under.

Although Pakistan was an exponentially stronger side with an equally good bowling attack and a middle order consisting of Younis, Yousuf and Inzie they were just as rubbish losing the series 3-0 (although one of those was a forfeit which was the Oval Test which the Paksters had their best chance of winning before Inzie had his spat with Daryl Hair). It might have been 4-0 had Strauss batted more adventurously and timed his declaration better in his debut match as captain at Lord's.

So I would caution those, including myself, who seem to feel that a return to the batting line-up of 2006 is a recipe for instant improvement. England were having their problems too as the Ashes-winning side of 2005 which Dunkin' Do'nut was so anxious to preserve was falling apart due to injury, both physical and, in Tresco's case, mental (although 2006 turned out to be his final Test summer).

Harmy was absent from the side for the 3-match Sri Lanka series earlier in the summer but returned for the Pakistan series.After a modest workout of 4-137 at Lord's (although with the best innings figures of the match on either side with 4-94 in Pakistan's 1st innings he went to Old Trafford and, in similar conditions that prevailed at Nottingham in the match finished today, helped England inflict an even more comprehensive defeat on Pakistan by an innings and 120.

He blew them away in the first innings for 119, taking 6-19 in the process. England replied with 461-9d with centuries from Cook and Bell. Pakistan put up a smidgeon more resistance to make 222 but were unable to make England bat again, Harmison taking 5-57 and Panesar, in his longest spell for England, taking 5-72 in 27 overs.

The reaction, or rather over-reaction, was predictable with the usual "Harmy's Back" and "The Destroyer Returns" headlines with the assumption that he was back to his form of the West Indies tour of 2004 and would cut a swathe through the Australian batting the following winter. It was rather overlooked that the destroyer's scythe was rather blunted in the next match at Headingley where Harmison returned match figures of 1-204, a game that Pakistan nevertheless contrived to lose despite making 538 in their 1st innings, an eerie precursor of England's experience later at Adelaide.

Harmy duly bowled the first ball of the Ashes series at the 'Gabba that November and the rest, as they say, is history. However I don't expect history to repeat itself if Anderson is fulfilling the same role as Harmison (which is quite probable). Anderson has a more professional attitude than Harmison had and knows the meaning of the saying that if you fail to prepare, prepare to fail. Nevertheless 2006 provides a cautionary tale for exuberant England supporters regarding what may be in store for England Down Under this winter.

On another statistical note I wonder when the last instance was of a No.10 topscoring in an innings? It's certainly been done before by Pakistan as Sarfraz Nawaz made 90 out of 343 in that position against England at Lahore in March 1984.

The most famous example was Walter Read's 117 out of England's 346 against Australia at The Oval in August 1884, still the highest score in that position (although Reggie Duff and Pat Symcox subsequently made centuries there too). However Read was a respectable Surrey middle order bat not a genuine tail-ender who was annoyed at Lord Harris' decision to alter the batting order to respond to Australia's then mammoth total of 551 and took his frustrations out on the Australian bowlers in a display of Jessop-style hitting.

I also wonder if it is unique to have a No.9 topscoring in the 1st innings followed by a No.10 in the 2nd?

it is very unique

I see Kaneria is released from Pak squad.

As I said earlier that I'm no fan of him, but to boot someone out of the team like this is humiliating. Especially when far more incompetent passengers are being retained in the team on one pretext or the other. No wonder, they hardly ever win anything in cricket these days, save T20s.

On Pak batting, when was the last time they scored 500+ in a test match against top-3 cricket nations?

Crushing defeat ... and doubt Yousef's going to make any difference (that's if the Home Office franks his visa in time for Edge !!).

Though the inept Kaneria (typical chav recruit) won't be missed. The dross he bowled during this test was worse than filth ... a captain's 'mare ... totally undependable and ballast from the first day. As the ex DT sports journo Martin Johnson would put it : "Can't bat, can't bowl, can't field ... he'd probably even spill the drinks."

HTF the camel-snouted, high pitch screaming twat Kamran Akmal stays embedded in the Pak team remains a mystery. There's no excuse for sh!t keeping and an aggregate score of nought in the match ... boot him out and save our ears.

And here's a reminder for all you cringeworthy anti-Jimmy bozzos :

Re: The Ashes thread #1 [England Bowling Edition]
by Merlin on Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:16 pm

.Don't write Anderson off just yet.

The boy just entered the prime period for a quick ... post 28 years old.

SG wrote:On Pak batting, when was the last time they scored 500+ in a test match against top-3 cricket nations?

Innings by innings list Team Score Overs RPO Lead Inns Result Opposition Ground Start DateDescending
Pakistan 765/6d 248.5 3.07 121 2 draw v Sri Lanka Karachi 21 Feb 2009 investigate this query
Pakistan 537 168.1 3.19 -89 2 draw v India Bangalore 8 Dec 2007 investigate this query
Pakistan 504 129.5 3.88 331 2 lost v England The Oval 17 Aug 2006 investigate this query
Pakistan 538 141.4 3.79 23 2 lost v England Leeds 4 Aug 2006 investigate this query
Pakistan 599/7d 140.1 4.27 606 3 won v India Karachi 29 Jan 2006 investigate this query
Pakistan 588 136.2 4.31 588 1 draw v India Faisalabad 21 Jan 2006 investigate this query
Pakistan 679/7d 143.3 4.73 679 1 draw v India Lahore 13 Jan 2006 investigate this query
Pakistan 636/8d 156.2 4.06 348 2 won v England Lahore 29 Nov 2005 investigate this query
Pakistan 570 167.5 3.39 570 1 won v India Bangalore 24 Mar 2005 investigate this query
Pakistan 643 157.5 4.07 643 1 won v New Zealand Lahore 1 May 2002 investigate this query
Pakistan 546/3d 114.5 4.75 412 2 won v Bangladesh Multan 29 Aug 2001 investigate this query
Pakistan 571/8d 210.0 2.71 95 2 draw v New Zealand Christchurch 15 Mar 2001 investigate this query
Pakistan 600/8d 175.2 3.42 419 2 won v Sri Lanka Galle 21 Jun 2000 investigate this query
Pakistan 594 184.5 3.21 363 2 won v Sri Lanka Dhaka 12 Mar 1999 investigate this query
Pakistan 580/9d 172.1 3.36 -19 2 draw v Australia Peshawar 15 Oct 1998 investigate this query
Pakistan 553 178.2 3.10 178 2 draw v Zimbabwe Sheikhupura 17 Oct 1996 investigate this query
Pakistan 521/8d 159.1 3.27 195 2 won v England The Oval 22 Aug 1996 investigate this query
Pakistan 537 152.1 3.52 276 3 draw v Australia Rawalpindi 5 Oct 1994 investigate this query
Pakistan 548/5d 137.2 3.99 373 2 won v New Zealand Wellington 17 Feb 1994 investigate this query
Pakistan 505/9d 126.0 4.00 505 1 draw v England Manchester 2 Jul 1992 investigate this query
Pakistan 699/5 203.4 3.43 190 2 draw v India Lahore 1 Dec 1989 investigate this query
Pakistan 616/5d 203.0 3.03 616 1 draw v New Zealand Auckland 24 Feb 1989

Merlin wrote:Crushing defeat ... and doubt Yousef's going to make any difference (that's if the Home Office franks his visa in time for Edge !!).

Though the inept Kaneria (typical chav recruit) won't be missed. The dross he bowled during this test was worse than filth ... a captain's 'mare ... totally undependable and ballast from the first day. As the ex DT sports journo Martin Johnson would put it : "Can't bat, can't bowl, can't field ... he'd probably even spill the drinks."

HTF the camel-snouted, high pitch screaming twat Kamran Akmal stays embedded in the Pak team remains a mystery. There's no excuse for sh!t keeping and an aggregate score of nought in the match ... boot him out and save our ears.

And here's a reminder for all you cringeworthy anti-Jimmy bozzos :

Re: The Ashes thread #1 [England Bowling Edition]
by Merlin on Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:16 pm

.Don't write Anderson off just yet.

The boy just entered the prime period for a quick ... post 28 years old.

We all knew Jimmy would clean up against this Pak batting lineup in those conditions. Hopefully the clouds will move away and the Paksters will show some spine in at least one of the tests so we can see where he's really at.

If "we all knew" was the norm, then why do the anti-Jimmy brigade on here continually bitch about his uselessness when the ball isn't swinging ... just stop awhile, and FFS give him a break rather than "predict" his anticipated "crappiness" Down Under ... It's boring to continuously hear that sh!t.

Credit where it's due - yeah sure it was "only" Pakistan - but with 2 decent quicks at the other end also hungry for wickets, bagging 11 in the match takes some doing.
Support the poor sod rather than castrate him through hypothesising 4 months ahead.

Cheers, embee.

So just 2 500+ totals in last 4 years, and none in last 18 months.