Suggestions that KP exaggerated his injury

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/cricket-world-cup/8366550/Cricket-World-Cup-2011-England-coach-Andy-Flower-admits-surprise-over-Kevin-Pietersens-withdrawal.html

Big implications that KP exaggerated the seriousness of his injury to go home early, and that in fact it was he himself who decided to go home, rather than a recommendation from the medical staff-

Andy Flower-

“The medical advice was that this hernia problem Kevin’s got wouldn’t get significantly worse and he was at no risk of damaging himself further, therefore it was a pain management situation,”

Translation-

"I think KP is being a bit of a homesick softc*ck who jumped on the chance this injury provided him to go home and see his family, when he could have, and should have toughened it out for the sake of the team."



Is KP the new Harmi? I think he's a big worry for England going forward. It's not hard to see that he isn't as motivated these days as he was five years ago. The fire has all but gone and it seems like taking him on tour is quite hard work for the England management. The one word being whispered in relation to him going home is "relief".

So looking forward, should England put up with the ego, drama queen moments, and lacklustre, sloppy fielding efforts for the odd match winning innings? Or do they drop him from the England team for an extended period (ie the whole of this coming Summer) and ask him to re-assess, and decide where he wants to go in his life and his career? He certainly shouldn't be considered undroppable, and if there are hungrier batsmen out there, then they deserve a chance.

I think his ODI career is almost certainly over. He's hardly made a run in that format for 2 1/2 years now- Averages 23, yes 23, since his last ODI century, which was in November 2008. His test form is also very patchy. Averages 43 since the start of 2009, which isn't terrible, but is disappointing and under par considering his talent and what he achieved between 2005 and 2009.

I think he'll retire completely in a couple of years at this rate. Sooner or later he'll stop pretending he cares, have a big sook (probably via Twitter) about a few people who didn't treat him right, and f*ck off to the IPL full time.

And I think English cricket would survive, to be honest.

KP in "I'm a selfish qunt" shocker.

This might ring true if it wasn't generally known that KP is the hardest trainer of all the England players - not an accusation you could level at Harmison. And, this might be Pietersen's last shot at winning the WC. The story doesn't stack up for me.

Based on the quotes Flower didn't exactly go out of his way to say how KP was justified in going home, and he's in the best position to assess KP and his state of mind.

I reckon he's at the crossroads.

skully wrote:KP in "I'm a selfish qunt" shocker.

He's got form.

Yeah, saw Andy on Foxy Sportsnews. He didn't look chuffed.

Flower never does - inscruitable as ever. I'd hate to play him at Poker.

Hmm, he didn't seem his normal assured self to me, Bas. He was wording his answers very carefully and almost hesitantly.

Basil wrote:Flower never does - inscruitable as ever. I'd hate to play him at Poker.

On the Windies tour a couple of years ago, KP asked the management if he could go home for a few days to watch his wife perform on 'Dancing with the stars'or whatever it's called. As Taipan said, he has form.


If behind the scenes England really are perfectly happy with KP's attitude and commitment to the cause, i'll eat my hat.

Let's see. When the news about KP's hernia broke, it was saifd that he would miss the IPL, but would be fit for our first test against S/L. If he were to rock up for any part of the IPL, having had his op. earlier than planned - then his fellow players and England's management would be right to be really p*ssed off.

Basil wrote:Let's see. When the news about KP's hernia broke, it was saifd that he would miss the IPL, but would be fit for our first test against S/L. If he were to rock up for any part of the IPL, having had his op. earlier than planned - then his fellow players and England's management would be right to be really p*ssed off.

Well I don't think he'd be stupid enough to do that. I'm not saying he wants to choose the IPL over England at this stage. I just think he might have exaggerated his injury in order to fly back to England and see his family.

Henry wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/cricket-world-cup/8366550/Cricket-World-Cup-2011-England-coach-Andy-Flower-admits-surprise-over-Kevin-Pietersens-withdrawal.html

Big implications that KP exaggerated the seriousness of his injury to go home early, and that in fact it was he himself who decided to go home, rather than a recommendation from the medical staff-

Andy Flower-

“The medical advice was that this hernia problem Kevin’s got wouldn’t get significantly worse and he was at no risk of damaging himself further, therefore it was a pain management situation,”

Translation-

"I think KP is being a bit of a homesick softc*ck who jumped on the chance this injury provided him to go home and see his family, when he could have, and should have toughened it out for the sake of the team."

Absolute bullsh!t.

So England's brilliant medical team (who never misdiagnose or mismanage injuries) know better than Pietersen how much pain he's in and can withstand, whilst still retaining the high levels of performance demanded of him? "I'm in agony here." "No you're not." "Oh, okay then..."

What a load of bollocks your "translation" is. You also omit the part of the article where, in spite of the brilliant medical advice that the injury wouldn't get worse, Pietersen reported after the SA game that it had gotten worse. So he must be lying - because how uneventful a story would it be if things were exactly as they seemed to be?

If he didn't want to be out there, he could've cried off the WC right from the beginning as he left Australia nursing a bit of a hammy and, as he's supposedly had this hernia for weeks, quite possibly the opening salvo of that little blighter. Would've been easy to rule himself out.

"Suggestions that KP exaggerated his injury"? By you. And no-one else.

skully wrote:Yeah, saw Andy on Foxy Sportsnews. He didn't look chuffed.

Usually he's doing cartwheels and singing.

Dello wrote:

Henry wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/cricket-world-cup/8366550/Cricket-World-Cup-2011-England-coach-Andy-Flower-admits-surprise-over-Kevin-Pietersens-withdrawal.html

Big implications that KP exaggerated the seriousness of his injury to go home early, and that in fact it was he himself who decided to go home, rather than a recommendation from the medical staff-

Andy Flower-

“The medical advice was that this hernia problem Kevin’s got wouldn’t get significantly worse and he was at no risk of damaging himself further, therefore it was a pain management situation,”

Translation-

"I think KP is being a bit of a homesick softc*ck who jumped on the chance this injury provided him to go home and see his family, when he could have, and should have toughened it out for the sake of the team."

Absolute bullsh!t.

So England's brilliant medical team (who never misdiagnose or mismanage injuries) know better than Pietersen how much pain he's in and can withstand, whilst still retaining the high levels of performance demanded of him? "I'm in agony here." "No you're not." "Oh, okay then..."

What a load of bollocks your "translation" is. You also omit the part of the article where, in spite of the brilliant medical advice that the injury wouldn't get worse, Pietersen reported after the SA game that it had gotten worse. So he must be lying - because how uneventful a story would it be if things were exactly as they seemed to be?

If he didn't want to be out there, he could've cried off the WC right from the beginning as he left Australia nursing a bit of a hammy and, as he's supposedly had this hernia for weeks, quite possibly the opening salvo of that little blighter. Would've been easy to rule himself out.

"Suggestions that KP exaggerated his injury"? By you. And no-one else.

Several Journalists have hinted that KP has exaggerated his injury.

Meh, until he starts making consistent runs again, and cuts back on his stupid, lazy dismissals, and pulls out of the nosedive that his batting has been in for the last two years, and stops making stupid mistakes in the field, and stops tweeting every 5 seconds about how much he misses his wife and kids, i'll speculate that the England management are not absolutely clambering over each other to sing KP's praises, and that he might just be sick and tired of this whole touring lark, and would rather just stay at home with his wife and kids.

And KP wasn't restricted at all against South Africa- Hurling in those wild throws of his, bowling 8 overs....he looked in no obvious discomfort, and that's kind of a big deal from a guy who usually lies on the ground grimacing, wailing, and rolling around for 20 seconds after gashing his knee.

Henry wrote:

Basil wrote:Flower never does - inscruitable as ever. I'd hate to play him at Poker.

On the Windies tour a couple of years ago, KP asked the management if he could go home for a few days to watch his wife perform on 'Dancing with the stars'or whatever it's called. As Taipan said, he has form.

The tour that began with his sacking from the captaincy amid a vote of no-confidence from the players and being publicly hung out to dry by the ECB? The near three months of a shambolic England struggling to win a single game with a fractured squad still trying to put the pieces back together after the captaincy/coach fall-out - a climate that Pietersen described as a "pretty damn lonely place to be"?

How strange that he might've wanted a brief change of scenery.

You've again omitted a key part of the story, however, where the captain and coach turned down his request and he got on with it without a fuss.

"The permission wasn't granted because we're on a cricket tour and it sets a bad precedent if people can go home during cricket tours," Strauss said Sunday. "He understood that fully and it wasn't an issue by any means and he just got on with it."

Strauss added that there had been no problems between him and his predecessor as captain during a tour on which England lost the Test series and is even at 2-2 in the one-dayers with one match to play.

"He's been very supportive all the tour," Strauss said. "He's been very professional in the way he's prepared himself."

http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/cricket/reality-check-for-pietersen/2009/03/31/1238261549315.html

Henry wrote:

Several Journalists have hinted that KP has exaggerated his injury.

And how the f*ck would they know? It's ridiculous enough to imagine the medical team are better versed in how much pain a player is in than the player himself, but it's a whole other realm of conjecture for fat arsed journalists to start throwing around their "hints" (if they are) between cream horns.

Who are these hinters? Why are they even hinting (if they exist)? Why not just say it, speculate, allege? Perhaps you're seeing what you want to see.

The desperation to find an angle on even the most banal and seemingly straight forward Pietersen stories is no less tedious now than it's always been. I seem to recall some claiming he wimped off home from the 07 Aussie tour because he had a "wittle cwacked wrib". Probably didn't hurt. Probably could've played on. A true-born Brit wouldn't have let a busted ribcage stop him. Oh no.

Dello wrote:

Henry wrote:

Basil wrote:Flower never does - inscruitable as ever. I'd hate to play him at Poker.

On the Windies tour a couple of years ago, KP asked the management if he could go home for a few days to watch his wife perform on 'Dancing with the stars'or whatever it's called. As Taipan said, he has form.

The tour that began with his sacking from the captaincy amid a vote of no-confidence from the players and being publicly hung out to dry by the ECB? The near three months of a shambolic England struggling to win a single game with a fractured squad still trying to put the pieces back together after the captaincy/coach fall-out - a climate that Pietersen described as a "pretty damn lonely place to be"?

How strange that he might've wanted a brief change of scenery.

You've again omitted a key part of the story, however, where the captain and coach turned down his request and he got on with it without a fuss.

"The permission wasn't granted because we're on a cricket tour and it sets a bad precedent if people can go home during cricket tours," Strauss said Sunday. "He understood that fully and it wasn't an issue by any means and he just got on with it."

Strauss added that there had been no problems between him and his predecessor as captain during a tour on which England lost the Test series and is even at 2-2 in the one-dayers with one match to play.

"He's been very supportive all the tour," Strauss said. "He's been very professional in the way he's prepared himself."

http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/cricket/reality-check-for-pietersen/2009/03/31/1238261549315.html

Yes, he was treated like sh*t, and shame on the ECB and the few players that spoke against him for that. But don't you think that maybe a little piece of him died when he was ruthlessly sacked from the Captaincy like that back in early 2009? What happened then could well have shaped who he is today. After trying so hard to be loved, and thinking he had finally won everyone over after being appointed England captain, the ECB and some of the players basically spat in his face. And from then on, don't you think that perhaps his subsequent dip in form since then is more than just a coincidence, and that he gave up trying to please? And there must have been a reason why he was given a vote of no confidence from the players. It's not like they sat down and said, "Wow, what a good bloke and exceptional leader of men...let's knife the bastard in the back." KP has form.This is a guy who has been booted out of two Counties let's not forget. He has as many detractors as he has supporters.

If that whole Peter Moores/captaincy episode didn't make a man want to say "f*ck you all" to his teammates and run into the arms of his family, then nothing will.

KP used to be incredibly motivated to do well and be loved. Now, looking at his performances on the field, his comments off it, and his general demeanor, which is all no doubt partly related to what happened to him back in early 2009, I think he's been something of a lost and lonely soul since then, and it shows on the field.

Don't get me wrong. I'd love to see him return to his best form. But it's been two years and save for occasional glimpses, it hasn't happened. He should be in the prime of his career right now but he's stuttering, so questions will naturally be asked as to why.

And yes, maybe I come across as desperately trying to come up with all sorts of Pietersen conspiracies, but the (lack of) performances are there to see. There must be a reason.

That Windies tour was also where he mangled his Achilles, which his poor subsequent form, batting on one leg, can certainly be attributed to.

He seemed very much part of the squad during the Ashes win. Even deigned to have Christmas dinner with the team, rather than go off on his own with the family, which was apparently a first.

Not to mention that he was Man of the Series/Tournament in the T20 WC last year, which didn't suggest a guy in deep emotional turmoil. Some the England players may have even clapped some of his scores...

I think he's all right. Had a stinking summer, came back pretty well this winter, sadly injury has curtailed his WC. It's less drama than you'd think.

Henry wrote:And yes, maybe I come across as desperately trying to come up with all sorts of Pietersen conspiracies, but the (lack of) performances are there to see. There must be a reason.

Nice tits Red

This Summer will tell us a lot. I reckon he'll either score stacks of runs, or he'll continue his decline, get sacked, and respond with a barrage of ugly tweets/signing of IPL contracts.

Wowzer, talk about gutbusting hyperbole through the form of many cast aspersions, no evidence and one helluva crazy hypothetical situation from two years ago. So his career hasn't gone exactly as you'd hoped it Mudge, get over it.

I expected at least a sliver of this would be concrete, upon entering this thread, but as it is:

I've heard he's gone home because:
He left the cooker on
His cat had started up a crack den outside his home
He's got Jason Bourne persuing him all over India and Bangladesh (as he thinks KP shot his bird)
He cannot stand another day without Marmite, Baked Beans, PG Tips and Songs of Praise.

KP

Delivered in the T20WC....... tick
Delivered in the Ashes..........tick

Think the guy has done enough to believe him if he says the injury has got worse

Henry fires up the Dellorean!

Henry = Dean Jones
Dello = Curtley Ambrose
KP = Sweatbands