The best of all time in each sport

So, there are 5 players in every team who accomplish the following:

NBA records

Seasons leading the league in scoring: 10 (1986–87—1992–93, 1995–96—1997–98)

Consecutive seasons leading the league in scoring: 7 (1986–87—1992–93)

* Also holds second (see below)
* Tied Wilt Chamberlain

Seasons leading the league in total points: 11 (1984–85, 1986–87—1992–93, 1995–96—1997–98)

* In his rookie year (1984–85), Jordan led the league in points scored, but was third in scoring average behind Bernard King and Larry Bird.

Highest scoring average, points per game, career: 30.12 (32,292/1,072)

Seasons scoring 2,000 or more points: 11 (1984–85, 1986–87—1992–93, 1995–96—1997–98)

* Broken by Karl Malone in 1999–2000

Seasons averaging 30 or more points per game: 8 (1986–87—1992–93, 1995–96)

Consecutive points scored in a game: 23, vs. Atlanta Hawks, occurred during last 6:33 of second quarter and first 2:12 of third quarter, 01987-04-16 April 16, 1987[16]

* Jordan also scored 18 consecutive points, all in the fourth quarter, against the New York Knicks on 01986-11-21 November 21, 1986.
* Broken by Manu Ginobili on 02007-02-21 February 21, 2007
* Broken by LeBron James on 02007-05-31 May 31, 2007

Games scoring 30 or more points, career: 561

Games scoring 20 or more points, career: 926

* Broken by Karl Malone

Consecutive games scoring 10 or more points: 866, 01986-03-25 March 25, 1986 to 02001-12-26 December 26, 2001

* 840 with the Chicago Bulls; 26 with the Washington Wizards
* Jordan failed to score in double digits in only one game of 1,109 as a Chicago Bull (8 points in only 16 minutes of play on 01986-03-22 March 22, 1986 vs. the Cleveland Cavaliers, his fifth game upon returning from a broken foot injury).

Oldest player in NBA history to lead the league in scoring: 35 years, & 61 days (1997–98)

Oldest player in NBA history to score 50 points in a game: 38 years, & 315 days (51 points, vs. New Orleans Hornets, 02001-12-29 December 29, 2001)

Oldest player in NBA history to score 40 points in a game: 40 years, &4 days (43 points, vs. New Jersey Nets, 02003-02-21 February 21, 2003)

* Jordan is also the only player to score 40+ at age 40 or older.
* In his final season, Jordan scored 40+ three times, 30+ nine times and 20+ 42 times.

Vilks

What i mean is that the standard of all players in the NBA now is higher than 20 years ago. Every player is top notch. Obviously saying every teamhas five Jordans is a silly statement. But I still stand by Kobe being better

JGK wrote:

Paul Keating wrote:A young Schumacher used to beat Senna at his peak. Schu was a master in the rain and was at his best on street circuits (surely the hardest test of a driver)

Huh? Didn't Schu win his first title in the year that Senna died?

I mean Schmu beat Senna in a handful of races. This is a young driver against a man at his peak

Paul Keating wrote:Vilks

What i mean is that the standard of all players in the NBA now is higher than 20 years ago. Every player is top notch. Obviously saying every teamhas five Jordans is a silly statement. But I still stand by Kobe being better

By that rational Pele and Maradona aren't anything special because in those days the standard of football wasn't as good as it is now.

Vettel is on his way. But his car is so much better than everyone elses, there should be an asterix next to his achievements.

vilkrang wrote:

Paul Keating wrote:Vilks

What i mean is that the standard of all players in the NBA now is higher than 20 years ago. Every player is top notch. Obviously saying every teamhas five Jordans is a silly statement. But I still stand by Kobe being better

By that rational Pele and Maradona aren't anything special because in those days the standard of football wasn't as good as it is now.

Not at all. The standard of soccer has always been good. The standard of the NBA has always been good too. But the standard of the NBA now is incredible. Every player is a monster who can do everything. yet Kobe towers over all comers he comes up against.

Paul Keating wrote:

vilkrang wrote:

Paul Keating wrote:Vilks

What i mean is that the standard of all players in the NBA now is higher than 20 years ago. Every player is top notch. Obviously saying every teamhas five Jordans is a silly statement. But I still stand by Kobe being better

By that rational Pele and Maradona aren't anything special because in those days the standard of football wasn't as good as it is now.

Not at all. The standard of soccer has always been good. The standard of the NBA has always been good too. But the standard of the NBA now is incredible. Every player is a monster who can do everything. yet Kobe towers over all comers he comes up against.

Is Lebron James worse than Kobe? How about Dwayne Wade?

Yes they are worse. Not much though. and yes they are better than the players in MJ's days like Malone and Johnson

Football players run on average almost twice the distance that they used to in the 70s and 80s, the fitness levels are vastly improved as is the professionalism and general standard of play.

You guys make out as if Jordan wins hands down and Kobe does not come close. This is a debate that has seen endless airtime in the US and it is a lot closer than you think.

vilkrang wrote:Football players run on average almost twice the distance that they used to in the 70s and 80s, the fitness levels are vastly improved as is the professionalism and general standard of play.

Of course fitness levels are better. What with nutrition and professionalism it is bound to be.

But in terms of pure skill levels, IMO it is not much better

Kobe isn't even as good as Magic or Larry.

This page is obviously made by a Jordan fan but the stats don't lie:

http://hoopsapedia.webs.com/kobevsjordan.htm

Henry wrote:

JGK wrote:

Henry wrote:Ablett junior has made a huge mistake going to the Gold Coast Suns for the $$$.

Why so?

Well it's a mistake as far as him being considered a great player is concerned. Even the greatest players need teammates who are at least competent. Terrific for his bank balance, though.

Farque ...How great would be Bobby Skilton be remembered as if he hadnt played for South Melbourne ...

Paul Keating wrote:Boxing is Marciano/Ali/Tyson

No. Ray Robinson, without a doubt. Well some doubt, but not loads. Tyson? No. Ali maybe, but Robinson is easily the man IMO.

taipan wrote:
Has to be Marciano. He was undefeated.

He only fought 3 or 4 fighters of worth, some would argue two.

Marciano. He was undefeated

Could be me ...never been beaten

Indeed, Marciano, Sven Ottke and Joe Calzaghe are the greatest fighters of all time if we go on career records. Sven Ottke shouldn't be making anyone's top 100.

Snooker: Ronnie O'Sullivan

Ottke was up there, I rated him highly - probably not in a top 100 though. Calzaghe is way into my 100, teens or so. Underrated the other side of the Atlantic by many one-eyes - I've had the fortune in seeing many, as they have, but without a blinkered view. He was of the highest calibre.

Brass Monkey wrote:

Paul Keating wrote:Boxing is Marciano/Ali/Tyson

No. Ray Robinson, without a doubt. Well some doubt, but not loads. Tyson? No. Ali maybe, but Robinson is easily the man IMO.

taipan wrote:
Has to be Marciano. He was undefeated.

He only fought 3 or 4 fighters of worth, some would argue two.

Sugar Ray lost a few though

Yeah, he mainly lost quite a few of those when he was a total hasbeen though.. He was a bit of a rodeo for the last couple of years and who could blame him after so many fights.

DJ_Smerk wrote:Snooker: Ronnie O'Sullivan

Most talented and on his day unbeatable, but with only 3 world titles I don't think he deserves the accolade of "greatest".

Henry wrote:

taipan wrote:

Paul Keating wrote:

taipan wrote:

Paul Keating wrote:Athletics is Michael Johnson
Union is Lomu

That being the same Lomu who never won a WC and never scored a try against the Boks? Good choice.

WTF you need to win a WC to be considered the best?

I will go with Mark Ella or Eales

Well you have to achievesomething. Lomu didn't achieve much.

In his prime (1995-2000), Lomu was a player that hadn't been seen before, and hasn't been seen since. In other words, he was awesome. A 6 foot 5 winger with incredible speed and the power of a prop. It was almost unfair at times.

My outstanding memory of JL is of the 95 WC semi and final.

He scored 4 tries against us in the semi, and his marker - Tony Underwood - couldn't have been less effective had he been made of sponge cake. Lomu simply went straight through him, and I didn't give the Boks a hope in hell at stopping him at Ellis Park.

What a contrast in defence. Jamie Small cut him down attack after attack, and Lomu was effectively removed as a credible threat in the game. He hardly made a yard progress past Small the whole 80 minutes.

For me, three wingers as good as Lomu were Chariots, Billy Whizz and Campo.

Most boxing scribes would say Sugar Ray Robinson is the greatest boxer of all time.

Ponts - Tyson? Get a grip. Perhaps the greatest misogynistic rapist of all time. Greatest boxer? Not even top 10.

Most boxing scribes would say Sugar Ray Robinson is the greatest boxer of all time.

Ponts - Tyson? Get a grip. Perhaps the greatest misogynistic rapist of all time. Greatest boxer? Not even top 10.