Re: South Africa v Australia, 1st Test, Cape Town, 9-13 November, 2011

by Red Tue 09 Jan 2018, 10:31

taipan wrote:
JGK wrote:From crocinfo:

The grapevine suggests that Vernon Philander and Imran Tahir are in line for Test debuts. Watch this space for more.

If Philander plays it is a blatant racist selection.

Hmmm, remember as I pointed out at the time, he was the leading wicket-taker in the domestic competition.

I'm not a particular fan of quotas but he didn't stand out as the filth you suggested he was.

And he's just effectively won you a test.

by taipan Tue 09 Jan 2018, 10:35

Yes, and I have admitted on a number of occasions that I got it wrong. Something you have never done.

by lardbucket Wed 10 Jan 2018, 03:21

taipan wrote:
Red wrote:
taipan wrote:
Fred Nerk wrote:"Philander is pure filth"

So he should really be called Vermin?

This is a family board.

can no one remember his great ODI career.

Wasn't he a bit overweight and prone to poor fielding though? I'm not convinced about him but in fairness if we remembered Thommo's debut against Pakistan he would never have played another test. Arguably Warnie against India too!
He's a genuine allrounder with the disability of not being able to bat, bowl or field. He would be a worse choice than Pattinson for England.

some wonderful stuff on this thread

by lardbucket Wed 10 Jan 2018, 03:24

taipan wrote:
skully wrote:So has taips reverse woofed Philander into the side?

Jackerman and Ackerman predict slow sideways movement on a greenish wicket.

No, I don't woof, or reverse woof.

Its an illogical decision. We had a balanced seam line up of Steyn, Morkel, Tsotsobe and Kallis. Now we have some medium paced crap. We also have people talking of him improving the batting. He has a FC average of 27 FFS. I don't think he has a CSA contract and he's so bad he can't even get a county gig.

I think most counties would take him now.

by lardbucket Wed 10 Jan 2018, 03:38

skully wrote:Just watched the highlights up until the Tea break. Thoughts...

- Brilliant knock from Pup. He really was on his game on a very sporting deck.
- Watto, Fuse and Bog all got very good balls and couldn't do much about them.
- Drunky played around a straight one that he would've normally punched to the midwicket boundary.
- Bog looked really good from 0-20, then struggled but battled hard for the next 10 runs while Pup was smashing 'em at the other end, then found his form again to move fluently from 30-44 before Stain got him with a beautiful late inswinger. Totally wasted referral by Bog, as it was plump.
- Stain is class.
- taips' assessment of the Philanderer is probably correct. With his Fat Sammy Patel build he looks an unlikely Test 1st change Test bowler (he took the new ball), but he hit the seam and used the conditions well. On a flat deck he will be a pie-purveyor .
- The wicket is covered in little white skid marks, so hopefully there'll still be a bit of life in it tonight. Rhino could be very dangerous if so.
- Fat Jack bowled tripe, as did Tahir.
- The wicket is also a bit up and down and could be a nightmare in the last innings for the Saffies, if we can contain them in their 1st dig.

Off to watch the post-Tea collapse.

skully, skully, skully ...

by skully Wed 10 Jan 2018, 04:09

On a flat deck Verny IS a pie-purveyor.

To me he is a bowler who gets the most out of a green wicket (as per the recent 1st Test v Bannies) but struggles when there is nothing for the bowler due to his military medium pace.

At home he has 107 wkts @ 18.00. Almost always on a green seamer.

Away:

v Aus - 5 Tests - 16 wkts at 30.12
v Ind - only 1 Test - 3 wkts at 20.33
v Pak - no Tests
v WI - no Tests
v SL - 2 Tests - 2 wkts at 76.00
v Eng - 6 Tests - 22 wkts at 23.54
v NZ - 6 Tests - 23 wkts at 22.95
v Zim - 1 Test - 1 wkt at 76.00
v BD - 2 Tests - 2 wkts at 32.50

So his away figures are bolstered by the juicy decks of England and NZ (who like to roll the green deck dice when facing good batting sides - like SAf).

There is no doubt Verny is a quality Test bowler in the right conditions, but serve him up a flat deck and he's no Steyn, McGrath or Johnson (in his pomp). His accuracy stands him in reasonable stead in benign conditions but he struggles for wickets.

I hardly think Aus, Ind, Pak & SL quake at the thought of facing him in their home conditions.

by lardbucket Wed 10 Jan 2018, 04:18

JGK wrote:Worst thing about this inept performance is that it almost guaranteed Dave Warner a Baggy Green.

So Warner is also your fault?

by lardbucket Wed 10 Jan 2018, 04:21

I've just read through this whole thread ... it's full of gold. Especially around page 23-24 where there is an earnest discussion as to whether ABDV is as good as Ian Bell, and whether Kallis would make the English Test side.

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