England v Australia, 4th ODI, Chester-Le-Street, 7 July, 2012

Aus will be lucky to scratch up 200 here. Looks a good call on the toss.

Amazed to Forrest experiment is still going on. Warner is certainly more miss than hit and has been for a while.

Just good tight bowling so far.

skully wrote:Aus will be lucky to scratch up 200 here. Looks a good call on the toss.

As I said last week, typical English conditions, win the toss and bowl. Let's hope we don't let them off the hook late on like Aus did when Morgan got going in the first game.

When will Bill Lawry be drafted in as pinch hitter?

Brass Monkey wrote:Just good tight bowling so far.

Pretty simple cricket. It's what has frustrated me since Pidg retired. The inability of Aus bowlers to bowl dot balls.

beamer wrote:

skully wrote:Aus will be lucky to scratch up 200 here. Looks a good call on the toss.

As I said last week, typical English conditions, win the toss and bowl. Let's hope we don't let them off the hook late on like Aus did when Morgan got going in the first game.

Kudos to England for being able to use the conditions way better than Aus. Professional stuff.

skully wrote:

Brass Monkey wrote:Just good tight bowling so far.

Pretty simple cricket. It's what has frustrated me since Pidg retired. The inability of Aus bowlers to bowl dot balls.

Aye, but I'd say it's easier to bowl length in these conditions than Australian.

Is it just me but does Nick Knight look like Nick Harper

Brass Monkey wrote:

skully wrote:

Brass Monkey wrote:Just good tight bowling so far.

Pretty simple cricket. It's what has frustrated me since Pidg retired. The inability of Aus bowlers to bowl dot balls.

Aye, but I'd say it's easier to bowl length in these conditions than Australian.

Meh, 3 metres from the stumps is the same in England as in Aus, no? Or does the Imperial system make a difference?

skully wrote:
Meh, 3 metres from the stumps is the same in England as in Aus, no? Or does the Imperial system make a difference?

I just mean the bowler's more likely to get smashed off his line in better batting conditions.

taipan wrote:Is it just me but does Nick Knight look like Nick Harper

And a bit like Kris Marshall too.

2-16 after 10. Cracking.

Brass Monkey wrote:

skully wrote:
Meh, 3 metres from the stumps is the same in England as in Aus, no? Or does the Imperial system make a difference?

I just mean the bowler's more likely to get smashed off his line in better batting conditions.

Mebee, but I just think the English bowlers are demonstrating their professionalism way better than the Aussies, and have done since 2005 (excluding 2006-07).

tricycle wrote:

taipan wrote:Is it just me but does Nick Knight look like Nick Harper

And a bit like Kris Marshall too.

Maybe a one of the experts can put the photos up.

Morgan drops a sitter

skully wrote:Mebee, but I just think the English bowlers are demonstrating their professionalism way better than the Aussies, and have done since 2005 (excluding 2006-07).

Well, there's the whole BLee and Midge thing, I suppose. But even they have performed well in ODIs. Siddle and Hilf look very solid, as does Harris.

Brass Monkey wrote:Finn does look the bizzle in ODIs... shame he can't keep such tidy lengths in Tests.

Still plenty of time for him as a Test bowler, just consider where a few others were at his age.

taipan wrote:Maybe a one of the experts can put the photos up.

Google image search of Nick Knight returns this


Not a surprise given the amount of fluff from him.

beamer wrote:

Brass Monkey wrote:Finn does look the bizzle in ODIs... shame he can't keep such tidy lengths in Tests.

Still plenty of time for him as a Test bowler, just consider where a few others were at his age.

Aye, there's time and as you say Broad and Jimmy didn't mature until later. But it's just a shame that everything he should be doing in Tests he's doing in ODIs. I thought he may have turned the corner, but in the last Test he displayed the 'two good spells amongst filth' method that he used before.

Brass Monkey wrote:

skully wrote:Mebee, but I just think the English bowlers are demonstrating their professionalism way better than the Aussies, and have done since 2005 (excluding 2006-07).

Well, there's the whole BLee and Midge thing, I suppose. But even they have performed well in ODIs. Siddle and Hilf look very solid, as does Harris.

There it is in a nutshell, Dan. A couple of buffed bench pressers bowling half volleys with the very odd peach. I would much prefer a man who bowls a 5 over spell of 0-10 and then pulls out a couple of screaming legcutters to end with 2-20 off 10 overs. Midg and Bung are not it. Siddle and Milf have shown promise but way too many half volleys for my liking.

skully wrote:
There it is in a nutshell, Dan. A couple of buffed bench pressers bowling half volleys with the very odd peach. I would much prefer a man who bowls a 5 over spell of 0-10 and then pulls out a couple of screaming legcutters to end with 2-20 off 10 overs. Midg and Bung are not it. Siddle and Milf have shown promise but way too many half volleys for my liking.

Aye, you're probably right. At least a couple of your young 'uns look like they could become tight bowlers.

Brass Monkey wrote:

beamer wrote:

Brass Monkey wrote:Finn does look the bizzle in ODIs... shame he can't keep such tidy lengths in Tests.

Still plenty of time for him as a Test bowler, just consider where a few others were at his age.

Aye, there's time and as you say Broad and Jimmy didn't mature until later. But it's just a shame that everything he should be doing in Tests he's doing in ODIs. I thought he may have turned the corner, but in the last Test he displayed the 'two good spells amongst filth' method that he used before.

His record's not exactly terrible, averaging well under 30, although obviously some cheap Bangladesh wickets contributed to that. Does seem to have a habit of allowing the opposition to relieve the pressure a bit though.

It does say a lot about the current bowling resources that someone with his wicket taking ability isn't first choice though. A decade ago he would probably have been first name on the teamsheet.

Brass Monkey wrote:

skully wrote:
There it is in a nutshell, Dan. A couple of buffed bench pressers bowling half volleys with the very odd peach. I would much prefer a man who bowls a 5 over spell of 0-10 and then pulls out a couple of screaming legcutters to end with 2-20 off 10 overs. Midg and Bung are not it. Siddle and Milf have shown promise but way too many half volleys for my liking.

Aye, you're probably right. At least a couple of your young 'uns look like they could become tight bowlers.

If they don't keep getting injured.

beamer wrote:His record's not exactly terrible, averaging well under 30, although obviously some cheap Bangladesh wickets contributed to that. Does seem to have a habit of allowing the opposition to relieve the pressure a bit though.

It does say a lot about the current bowling resources that someone with his wicket taking ability isn't first choice though. A decade ago he would probably have been first name on the teamsheet.

Yeah, he has a knack, but for some reason I feel that it's because the batsmen don't know whether it'll be a jaffa or a half-volley - most of the time it relieves the pressure.