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Post by Henry Sat 12 Jan 2013, 23:14

And Dean Elgar reminds me a lot of Ashwell Prince. Not great to watch, but pretty compact, and some nice, punchy strokes once he gets in.
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Post by Henry Sun 13 Jan 2013, 09:21

This could be all over today. NZ 62/8. Pathetic.
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Post by Brass Monkey Sun 13 Jan 2013, 09:22

I'd now be surprised if it wasn't over today. Abject.
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Post by Brass Monkey Sun 13 Jan 2013, 09:26

62/9. Sham.
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Post by Henry Sun 13 Jan 2013, 09:29

Even though they're missing a couple of their top players. Even though they've never had a huge pool of talent to choose from. Even though they've never been higher than about 4th in the test rankings, and even though South Africa are the best team in the World, there's no way New Zealand should be performing as badly as this.

Mike Hesson simply must be sacked at the conclusion of this tour. John Buchanan too. There's something really rotten In NZ cricket's core. Some of the players are to blame as well. Lucrative T20 cricket is a bit of a poison for the lesser teams (who get paid less money) in World Cricket. Suddenly their priorities change. They just don't seem as willing to fight as they used to be.
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Post by taipan Sun 13 Jan 2013, 09:34

In the midst of the carnage Steyn has gone past Trueman and is level with Gibbs
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Post by JGK Sun 13 Jan 2013, 09:41

Watling is 43 out of 82 at the moment. If he scores the next 28 runs of so he'll give BAnnermans record a nudge.

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Post by Henry Sun 13 Jan 2013, 09:52

Last wicket pair showing some fight.
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Post by JGK Sun 13 Jan 2013, 09:54

50 partnership!

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Post by skully Sun 13 Jan 2013, 09:54

Lordy, the 10th wkt stand is easily the best of the innings. Looks like the Snoozy keepers & bowlers are the only guys in the team with a bit of heart. Soft sheep-farking qunts.
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Post by Henry Sun 13 Jan 2013, 09:58

The last wicket pair is a chance of out-scoring the previous nine batsmen. Has this ever happened before?
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Post by Paul Keating Sun 13 Jan 2013, 09:58

I am sure this was asked recently after another high 10th wicket stand.

But as a percentage, today`s last wicket partnership must stack up well in historical records.
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Post by JGK Sun 13 Jan 2013, 09:59

Henry wrote:The last wicket pair is a chance of out-scoring the previous nine batsmen. Has this ever happened before?

Aust 9/21, all out for 47.

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Post by skully Sun 13 Jan 2013, 10:44

So the Snoozies suffered the "double follow-on" - over 400 behind on the 1st innings. Utter tosh.
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Post by Basil Sun 13 Jan 2013, 10:45

They are worse than Bangladesh
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Post by skully Sun 13 Jan 2013, 10:52

Aye, I think the Bangers would give 'em a run right now. The Sheep are in complete disarray.
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Post by Brass Monkey Sun 13 Jan 2013, 10:52

Guptill and McCullum double hundred partnership coming up. That's what I'm telling myself, anyway, or it wouldn't be worth watching.
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Post by tricycle Sun 13 Jan 2013, 10:55

They got to a hundred. That's it, 650/3 in the second innings

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Post by beamer Sun 13 Jan 2013, 11:43

What was Usain playing at? Snoozer number 11s aren't supposed to show that kind of fight with the bat...

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Post by Brass Monkey Sun 13 Jan 2013, 11:46

31/0. Such resolve. I'm welling up.
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Post by Henry Sun 13 Jan 2013, 11:46

Bout has a lot of potential as a batsman. He's the kind of Snoozer who'll develop his batting and make first class hundreds.
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Post by tricycle Sun 13 Jan 2013, 11:57

23, that must be close to Guptill's best against a decent team.

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Post by Brass Monkey Sun 13 Jan 2013, 12:04

Was thinking about NZ's best side, if all were available - can't really think of an opener doing well that hasn't been tried - maybe Brodie or Murdoch but otherwise it's totally bare. In the middle order, obvo Taylor and Ryder - but also Kitchen and the Cachopas, Williamson would be better suited down the order, at least for now. Vettori. Southee. McClenaghan, I reckon. They could be an entirely different prospect:

McCullum
Whoever
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Taylor
Kitchen / Carl Cachopa
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Vettori
Watling
Southee
Bracewell
Boult / McClenaghan

The bowling is competitive and the batting is much more solid.
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Post by tricycle Sun 13 Jan 2013, 12:08

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Post by Henry Sun 13 Jan 2013, 12:14

Brass Monkey wrote:Was thinking about NZ's best side, if all were available - can't really think of an opener doing well that hasn't been tried - maybe Brodie or Murdoch but otherwise it's totally bare. In the middle order, obvo Taylor and Ryder - but also Kitchen and the Cachopas, Williamson would be better suited down the order, at least for now. Vettori. Southee. McClenaghan, I reckon. They could be an entirely different prospect:

McCullum
Whoever
Ryder
Taylor
Kitchen / Carl Cachopa
Williamson
Vettori
Watling
Southee
Bracewell
Boult / McClenaghan

The bowling is competitive and the batting is much more solid.

Looks a half-decent side, but considering Vettori's decline the bowling could be a little light. He's not the same bowler he was 10 years ago. Hamish Rutherford (Ken's son) is considered to be the most talented young opening batsman in NZ. A real goer against the new ball. But not all that consistent. I reckon they should take a punt on him as someone who could be a match winner.

Luke Ronchi is qualified to play for NZ already, and has been in very good form in first class cricket. He could get a gig as the keeper, and they might consider opening with Watling, ahead of McCullum even, who imo isn't pulling his weight these days. I've long suspected that he's had his eyes fixed a bit too firmly on T20 $$$. I could be wrong, though.

Adam Milne is another very promising young bowler- The fastest in NZ. He clocked 153kph as an 18 year old. Of course, he's struggled with injuries. It's not as if there's no talent there. I just think the selectors are too scared to give more youngsters a go. They keep picking proven failures like Franklin and Fulton.
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