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Post by Merlin Fri 21 Mar 2014, 11:26

Ethics? The Gall! wrote:
Merlin wrote:
lardbucket wrote:
Merlin wrote:no one knows 'nothing'

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It was put there just for your Roget brain to pick up on.
Hense (in case you missed them) -  the inverted commas around nothing.
pity you didnt use them around hense (sic)
Apologies.
Always a word I've screwed up !

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Post by lardbucket Fri 21 Mar 2014, 11:26

one of many

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Post by Merlin Fri 21 Mar 2014, 11:31

Of course . . . I bow to your infinite wisdom and virtue, Oh Roget!

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Post by lardbucket Fri 21 Mar 2014, 11:33

No need to invoke Roget - the early Wide Range readers would see you out.

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Post by Merlin Fri 21 Mar 2014, 11:45

lardbucket wrote:No need to invoke Roget - the early Wide Range readers would see you out.

Keep going . . .

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Post by Red Fri 21 Mar 2014, 12:20

One thing that seems mysterious is that if in fact decompression incapacitated the pilots but the plane was auto-piloted for hours until the fuel ran out, why did it manage to escape most radar surveillance? When this happened to Payne Stewart's flight there were planes flying alongside it and it was clear what was going on.
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Post by taipan Fri 21 Mar 2014, 13:17

Red wrote:One thing that seems mysterious is that if in fact decompression incapacitated the pilots but the plane was auto-piloted for hours until the fuel ran out, why did it manage to escape most radar surveillance?  When this happened to Payne Stewart's flight there were planes flying alongside it and it was clear what was going on.

Well maybe when we find out exactly where the plane was we can address that issue.
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Post by Red Sat 22 Mar 2014, 04:35

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/search-for-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-resumes-in-southern-indian-ocean-southwest-of-perth/story-fniztvne-1226861867123

The US is convinced that there was killer cargo on board.

And:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/transcript-reveals-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-final-54-minutes-of-communication/story-fniztvne-1226861941951

The transcript of the final 54 mins. of communication with control tower reveals two odd moments.
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Post by Red Sat 22 Mar 2014, 13:08

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/aviation-expert-neil-hansford-high-likelihood-images-are-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370/story-fniztvne-1226862265432

New debris spotted by Chinese satellite.
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Post by Red Sun 23 Mar 2014, 01:57

http://www.news.com.au/world/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-search-resumes-after-chinese-satellites-spot-object-in-indian-ocean/story-fndir2ev-1226862354302

Pilot's mystery phone call being probed.
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Post by Henry Sun 23 Mar 2014, 11:02

I guess the question has to be asked- Is it common to find large objects in the ocean on satellite images when there ISN'T a missing Boeing 777 out there somewhere?
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Post by PeterCS Sun 23 Mar 2014, 11:07

Blue whales can be well over 30m long.
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Post by G.Wood Sun 23 Mar 2014, 11:50

Red wrote:http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/search-for-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-resumes-in-southern-indian-ocean-southwest-of-perth/story-fniztvne-1226861867123

The US is convinced that there was killer cargo on board.

And:

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The US's coverage of this event has been absolutely disgusting. Particularly how they would have done a so much better a job than the Malaysians. Well they have been involved for a while and haven't found the farkin thing

If there was a hair brain conspiracy theory they would be right on it. They were reporting random bloggers fantasies as legitimate possibilities that were being investigated (like flying in the shadow of another jet)

They even tried to blame the 3 day delay between the date the chinese satelite image was taken to its release on the Malaysians ffs

No wonder everyone hates them
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Post by Red Sun 23 Mar 2014, 11:57

Henry wrote:I guess the question has to be asked- Is it common to find large objects in the ocean on satellite images when there ISN'T a missing Boeing 777 out there somewhere?

Guess it's hard to know because generally ships, satellites etc. aren't focussed on the region to look for wreckage. Nonetheless those searching are convinced it's consistent with the pinging from the satellite. Having said that, one of the experts involved said for instance that the wooden pallets which would have been aboard the plane that have been seen floating would also be on shipping containers.
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Post by taipan Sun 23 Mar 2014, 14:09

Red wrote:
Henry wrote:I guess the question has to be asked- Is it common to find large objects in the ocean on satellite images when there ISN'T a missing Boeing 777 out there somewhere?

Guess it's hard to know because generally ships, satellites etc. aren't focussed on the region to look for wreckage. Nonetheless those searching are convinced it's consistent with the pinging from the satellite. Having said that, one of the experts involved said for instance that the wooden pallets which would have been aboard the plane that have been seen floating would also be on shipping containers.
i don't quite see how wooden pallets come into play. The cargo on the pallets is usually shrink wrapped onto the pallet so depends on the weight. On container ships the pallets would be inside the container and for them to float would depend on individual containers breaking up.
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Post by Big Dog Mon 24 Mar 2014, 20:12

From the No Shyte Sherlock files, Malaysia has finally conceded that the plane crashed into the southern Indian ocean with no survivors.
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Post by Red Tue 25 Mar 2014, 11:40

http://www.smh.com.au/world/mh370-crashed-in-suicide-mission-britains-the-daily-telegraph-newspaper-reports-20140325-hvmf1.html

This Brit paper certainly thinks it was a suicide mission.
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Post by PeterCS Tue 25 Mar 2014, 11:50

Didn't I hear some sort of a rumour a few days ago that the chief pilot's wife had left him, taking the kids with her, just before the flight?

Or was it just another case of tongue-wagging hearsay in the chaffier media, that was then scotched?

Inevitably I guess with such a "Bermuda Triangle" mystery, the surmises and gossip have whizzed around like black helicopters in a storm.
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Post by lardbucket Wed 26 Mar 2014, 05:27

Red wrote:http://www.smh.com.au/world/mh370-crashed-in-suicide-mission-britains-the-daily-telegraph-newspaper-reports-20140325-hvmf1.html

This Brit paper certainly thinks it was a suicide mission.

If this is true, and if anyone was still alive back in the cabin after the earlier (reported) sudden severe altitude changes, it would have been a frightening ride. Guess the movies were all switched off and the GPS map wouldn't have been functioning in the cabin. How to spend the time? Alcohol?

Horrific.

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Post by Red Wed 26 Mar 2014, 09:41

That scenario has gathered momentum today and this video below which fields a number of the key questions seems to lend weight to this too. It's emerged that the engine were still sending information out to their manufacturers which would seem to rule out any catastrophic mechanical failure etc. and given that the plane flew for another seven hours or so also makes that seem implausible.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-how-the-search-has-become-a-bad-example-of-crisis-management/story-fnizu68q-1226865306762
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Post by G.Wood Wed 26 Mar 2014, 11:31

Another sh1thouse article taking potshots at the yellow people using the benefit of massive amounts of hindsight.

There are plenty of failures, such as decompression, that wouldn't effect the performance of the engines
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Post by Red Wed 26 Mar 2014, 12:10

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/the-possibility-of-pilot-suicide/article5831677.ece?homepage=true

A pilot's view which was posted before the news broke about the southern ocean search. Some ripper weird speculation/theories in the comments section.

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/the-possibility-of-pilot-suicide/article5831677.ece?homepage=true
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Post by buckSH Wed 26 Mar 2014, 12:31

anglo-saxon duplicity all the way .. & it also tallies with eye-witness reports of the Maldivians who saw a commercial airline landing or flying very low and Malaysians scrupulously disregarding all Mali reports and focussing solely on some arcs. Bloody bastards all of them.

The American is withdrawing from the Afghanistan, one of their command and control system (used for controlling the pilotless drones) was hijacked by the Talebans when the American transport convoy was moving down from one of the hill top bases. The Talebans ambushed the convoy and killed 2 American Seal personnel, seized the equipment/weapons, including the command and control system which weighed about 20 tons and packed into 6 crates. This happened about a month ago in Feb 2014.
What the Talebans want is money. They want to sell the system to the Russian or the Chinese. The Russian is too busy in Ukraine. The Chinese are hungry for the system's technology. Just imagine if the Chinese master the technology behind the command and control system, all the American drones will become useless. So the Chinese sent 8 top defense scientists to check the system and agreed to pay millions for it.

Sometime in early Mar 2014, the 8 scientists and the 6 crates made their way to Malaysia, thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection. The cargo was then kept in the Embassy under diplomatic protection. Meanwhile the American has engaged the assistance of Israeli intelligence, and together they are determined to intercept and recapture the cargo.
The Chinese calculated that it will be safe to transport it via civilian aircraft so as to avoid suspicion. After all the direct flight from KL to Beijing takes only 4 and half hours, and the American will not hijack or harm the civilian. So MH370 is the perfect carrier.
There are 5 American and Israeli agents onboard who are familiar with Boeing operation. The 2 "Iranians" with stolen passports could be among them.

When MH370 is about to leave the Malaysian air space and reporting to Vietnamese air control, one American AWAC jammed their signal, disabled the pilot control system and switched over to remote control mode. That was when the plane suddenly lost altitude momentarily.
How the AWAC can do it ? Remember 911 incident ? After the 911 incident, all Boeing aircraft (and possibly all Airbus) are installed with remote control system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all the Boeing could be remote controlled by ground control tower. The same remote control system used to control the pilotless spy aircraft and drones.
The 5 American/Israeli agents soon took over the plane, switched off the transponder and other communication system, changed course and flew westwards. They dare not fly east to Philippines or Guam because the whole South China Sea air space was covered by Chinese surveillance radar and satellite.
The Malaysian, Thai and Indian military radars actually detected the unidentified aircraft but did not react professionally.
The plane flew over North Sumatra, Anambas, South India and then landed at Maldives (some villagers saw the aircraft landing), refuelled and continued its flight to Garcia Deigo, the American Air Base in the middle of Indian Ocean. The cargo and the black box were removed. The passengers were silenced via natural means, lack of oxygen. They believe only dead person will not talk. The MH370 with dead passengers were air borne again via remote control and crashed into South Indian Ocean, make it to believe that the plane eventually ran out of fuel and crashed, and blame the defiant captain and copilot.

The American has put up a good show. First diverting all the attention and search effort in the South China Sea while the plane made their way to Indian Ocean. Then they came out with some conflicting statement and evidence to confuse the world. The Australian is the co-actor.
The amount of effort put up by China, in terms of the number of search aircraft, ships and satellites, searching first the South China Sea, then the Malacca Straits and the Indian Ocean is unprecedented. This showed that the China is very concerned, not so much because of the many Chinese civilian passengers, but mainly the high value cargo and its 8 top defense scientists.

Don't believe the story? I don't expect you to but let's wait and see how the episode unveils itself. Or perhaps it will never be known until the next Snowden emerges.

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Post by Merlin Wed 26 Mar 2014, 12:42

Wow buckeye - that is some conspiracy theory!
I'm just surprised that there were no black helicopters involved.

Is all this speculation . . . about speculation. . . about theories . . . about pissibolities really that necessary?!


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Post by buckSH Wed 26 Mar 2014, 12:52

& it's a damn good theory merlo, it isn't as if anyone responsible for it is going to admit to it. So all we can do is theorize. And this one comes pretty close to covering all the bases.

1. Mali Eyewitnesses
2. the great USA with eyes in everybody's nether regions keeping eerily quiet for first week.
3. Plane flew for 7 hours but somehow lost ping after crossing Malaysia. LOL
4. Flew over South India apparently, and the Italian waitress and her 'boys' told to keep mum.
5. Plane has exhausted it's fuel before it loses contact and it can easily reach some Maldivian atoll with that level of fuel.
6. Transponders and ACARS can't be switched off by pilot, however experienced, in a flight. He has to have an accomplice on the ground, preferably a flight maintenance engineer. In this case, no such accomplice has surfaced till now.
7. The plane didn't cross, Indonesia where it could have landed in case of trouble but reversed in direction of IO, which was not necessary because there is a big Malaysian Air Force base nearby incase there really was an emergency caused due to decompression.


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