World Cup 2019

Looks as though the Icy Sea are stickking to their guns about 2019 being a ten team comp.

The format means no team is guaranteed a place. So at least the Associates have a chance to qualify. The ten teams could include Ireland or Afghanistan etc.



But if the ten = the ten Test sides (full members) then 2019 will be the first world cup with no participants from outside the Test World, evah.

1992?

Ah, Zim only got test status shortly after the 1992 WC.

OP Tipping wrote:Looks as though the Icy Sea are stickking to their guns about 2019 being a ten team comp.

The format means no team is guaranteed a place. So at least the Associates have a chance to qualify. The ten teams could include Ireland or Afghanistan etc.



But if the ten = the ten Test sides (full members) then 2019 will be the first world cup with no participants from outside the Test World, evah.

You wonder if England would make it if they weren't hosting.

JGK wrote:

OP Tipping wrote:Looks as though the Icy Sea are stickking to their guns about 2019 being a ten team comp.

The format means no team is guaranteed a place. So at least the Associates have a chance to qualify. The ten teams could include Ireland or Afghanistan etc.



But if the ten = the ten Test sides (full members) then 2019 will be the first world cup with no participants from outside the Test World, evah.

You wonder if England would make it if they weren't hosting.

Errrr ....
Being utterly honest...
No we wouldn't.

Probably not. It'll rain loads as well. Let's call the whole thing off

Haven't you heard?

2019 is England's World Cup! All of the hard work and preparation since 1992 has come to this.....

Revised Format

Pool A

England
Burkina Faso

A best of "how ever many it takes for England to be one up"

Pool B (Pool of Blood)

Everyone else

A home and away round robin Thunderdome (two teams enter ...one team leaves) cage death match format

Injury replacements from outside original squad...not allowed


Final

Winner of Pool A vs Survivor of Pool of Blood

As long as Burkina Faso send their elderly ladies croquet team that might work.

Karticle on a Gilly format

he's still a farkwit

Given the ECB's enduring inability to discover and select a team capable of even competing, let alone challenging, for honours how about having a different selection policy.

Instead of the ECB's favourites, wannabes and last-minute panic u-turns why don't they turn it over to choosing a squad based upon the top performers in domestic limited over cricket over either the 2019 season, or the 2018 season too if we need to add some extra data (and we all know how the ECB loves a bit of data) to that.

Kind of like selection criteria for Ryder Cup - take a lot of personal bias and subjective elements out of it and do it by numbers. Leave a couple of picks for the coach/selectors so they can choose a few test match blockers on the eve of the tournament when they lose their nerve over needing to play an 'exciting brand of cricket'.

Couldn't be any worse than how they've been doing it...could it?

Well, we tried county journeymen in the first WT20, and the 1999 World Cup to an extent, and that was a disaster. Pick a bunch of international novices and throw them in at the deep end and it will be at least as bad as this time was.

The next couple of years are key. Identify "X factor" players (not crap singers promoted by Cowell and co!) and stick with them unless they look totally out of their depth over a significant period of time. Hopefully a few will develop into world class players, and most of the others into more than competent ones. There's room for a couple of wild cards picked on form or potential close to the event, but otherwise it's a settled side with proven quality. We've never managed to see that through so the key is finding the people at the top to implement that...

We tried the wrong county journeymen. We still mixed in the players with no aptitude for the format

have a facebook poll. couldnt end up with any worse a team

Ethics? The Gall! wrote:have a facebook poll.  couldnt end up with any worse a team

Ebbsfleet United for the 2019 WC? MCC = my cricket club?

I can guess who would top the poll if they had one right now...

Tendulkar?

FFS!

The 2019 WC has all the trappings of the great and the good looking after themselves. Firstly, there's the format. Secondly, all the games will be played on Test match /ODI grounds, so the likes of Worcestershire, Northants etc won't get a look in, unlike 1999 when there were two games at New Road.

The 152nd edition of Wisden Cricketers' Almanac Editorial posts a scathing attack upon the ECB
for having "lost touch with the idea that the game belongs to all of us"  and for creating a
"nexus of self-preservation at the top".  

England lost 28 games and 9 of the 11 series played last year, yet the Board's executives indulged in
"mutual back slapping" with Downton praising Peter Moores as the "outstanding coach of his generation".

Funny that ... published on the day Downton got the chop!

Bradman wrote:FFS!

He seems to win all the polls for some reason.

embee wrote:Karticle on a Gilly format

he's still a farkwit

Fixing a slight crack with a rupture. Were West Indies so bad in 2011 that they sent two teams and both wouldn't have got through the groups?

embee wrote:Karticle on a Gilly format

he's still a farkwit

He is still jealous of Duckworth/Lewis.

beamer wrote:Well, we tried county journeymen in the first WT20, and the 1999 World Cup to an extent, and that was a disaster. Pick a bunch of international novices and throw them in at the deep end and it will be at least as bad as this time was.

The next couple of years are key. Identify "X factor" players (not crap singers promoted by Cowell and co!) and stick with them unless they look totally out of their depth over a significant period of time. Hopefully a few will develop into world class players, and most of the others into more than competent ones. There's room for a couple of wild cards picked on form or potential close to the event, but otherwise it's a settled side with proven quality. We've never managed to see that through so the key is finding the people at the top to implement that...

Not knowing the consituent elements of those teams I just had a look on cricinfo.

You're right about having some nasty county players in that 20/20 team. Chris Schofield, Jeremy Snape - wow! But equally, players like Solanki and maybe Shah were actually pretty good with the bat (Shah went onto play in the IPL - so someone over there thought he was sufficiently decent to shell out silly bucks for). It seemed like quite a few of the notional stars didn't live up to their billing too though. A young Broad certainly got his arse handed to him if you review his bowling stats.

Looking at the '99 vintage - bloody hell. Ian Austin and Vince Wells certainly fit the journeyman criteria. But most of the others were either regarding as one-day experts (Fairbrother, Hollioake, Knight too perhaps) or were fully fledged Test players.

So perhaps I can develop my idea further to incorporate your point re: X factor players. Could the squad be comprised of 7-8 of the best performing county players under a certain age level. Say 27-28. That should help eliminate the selection of old pie eating trundlers such as Austin and it gives ECB a chance to give them a couple of years to demonstrate whether they've got the talent or not. A couple of wild card/form horse picks as you suggest and then some 'reliable' performers at international level to finish it off.

Maybe before the actual tournament there should be a Probables (all the ECB's favs and contracted softies) v Possibles type series. That'd be fun to watch.

We already have that, The Challenger Trophy. Decent to filter the shit.