SA cricket in crisis Part 2

Personally I think this is irresponsible reporting but I guess where there is smoke....

http://www.sport24.co.za/Cricket/T20DomesticCup/ram-slam-t20-match-fixing-ex-protea-to-be-charged-20160112

http://www.sport24.co.za/Cricket/white-cricketers-unhappy-at-quotas-20160112

Just relating to the original point of SA in crisis one (which strangely went offtrack), here is what may have been hinted at.

http://www.sport24.co.za/Cricket/white-cricketers-unhappy-at-quotas-20160112


Meanwhile Cullinan has at go at Amla for suggesting views of certain players are coloured.
http://www.sport24.co.za/Cricket/Proteas/cullinan-amlas-opinion-is-blinkered-20160112

Well, Cullinan has missed the point entirely. No one in South African cricket takes him seriously, anyway. A-Grade tosser.

Apparently AB has not yet committed himself to test cricket beyond this series with England.

Well there is possibly a major selection problem coming up. Rumours are that SA want to play 4 quickies. Of course that means Piedt must go. So how to balance the quota? Somehow Duminy must come in. But for who?

Well I assume they don't want to shove ANOTHER middle order batsman up to open.

Playing the same team from Cape Town would probably be the least disastrous decision. The other even more disastrous ideas would be to drop Van Zyl and shunt Amla, Duminy, or de Kock up to open, or playing five quicks with no Duminy (spinning option) at all.

Henry wrote:Well I assume they don't want to shove ANOTHER middle order batsman up to open.

Playing the same team from Cape Town would probably be the least disastrous decision. The other even more disastrous ideas would be to drop Van Zyl and shunt Amla, Duminy, or de Kock up to open, or playing five quicks with no Duminy (spinning option) at all.

5 quicks would still leave you one short on the quota.

Is that the horrie wind up quota?

Horrie wouldn't know a quota if it struck him between the eyes.

Guess they could use Duminy as the spinner and Piedt goes - both are coloured. That strengthens the batting and leaves a token spinner. So then a quick would have to replace Van Zyl which would as mentioned shove someone else up the order, though Van usually falls early anyway.

Still think Rilee R. is very unlucky. He made runs again in domestic cricket after his release. Bavuma of course made runs but he was probably lucky to be there ahead of RR on exposed stats.

One solution might be to pick solely on merit and not on skin colour.

Red wrote:Guess they could use Duminy as the spinner and Piedt goes - both are coloured. That strengthens the batting and leaves a token spinner. So then a quick would have to replace Van Zyl which would as mentioned shove someone else up the order, though Van usually falls early anyway.

Still think Rilee R. is very unlucky. He made runs again in domestic cricket after his release. Bavuma of course made runs but he was probably lucky to be there ahead of RR on exposed stats.

One solution might be to pick solely on merit and not on skin colour.

Horrid does not agree with you.

Red wrote:Guess they could use Duminy as the spinner and Piedt goes - both are coloured. That strengthens the batting and leaves a token spinner. So then a quick would have to replace Van Zyl which would as mentioned shove someone else up the order, though Van usually falls early anyway.

Still think Rilee R. is very unlucky. He made runs again in domestic cricket after his release. Bavuma of course made runs but he was probably lucky to be there ahead of RR on exposed stats.

One solution might be to pick solely on merit and not on skin colour.

So basically Duminy has to replace a batsman, which is what I said.

Somewhere Hansie Cronje is feeling relieved they can't possibly pin this one on him.

What are the details of the quota system now?

EDIT: Because my impression is that it is now a system of soft guidelines rather than fixed quotas.

OP Tipping wrote:What are the details of the quota system now?

EDIT: Because my impression is that it is now a system of soft guidelines rather than fixed quotas.

International team is slightly soft. Should be 4 POC.

Domestic is hard. 6 POC, of whom 3 must be black.

taipan wrote:

OP Tipping wrote:What are the details of the quota system now?

EDIT: Because my impression is that it is now a system of soft guidelines rather than fixed quotas.

International team is slightly soft. Should be 4 POC.

Domestic is hard. 6 POC, of whom 3 must be black.

That would be tougher for some provinces than others by way of basic demography.

OP Tipping wrote:

taipan wrote:

OP Tipping wrote:What are the details of the quota system now?

EDIT: Because my impression is that it is now a system of soft guidelines rather than fixed quotas.

International team is slightly soft. Should be 4 POC.

Domestic is hard. 6 POC, of whom 3 must be black.

That would be tougher for some provinces than others by way of basic demography.

Demography has very little to do with it. Players are bought and sold to meet the quota. The sad part is top players being loaned out as they are surplus to the quota requirements. The quota is a poor joke as it is based of population demographics. If it was based on the demographics of registered players, another picture would emerge.

Mmm.
I mean I appreciate the reason for the quotas but you don't want to make it so onerous that good players give up on the sport or just clear out overseas.

A lot of kids are just giving up team sports totally as there is no future. The bottom line is, as I have stated before, the quotas have been in age group cricket for 15 years. The question is why do these players not come through the system and play for the top teams. CSA is the major problem.

And before the idiots get involved I will make the comment I made when I joined C4 14 years ago.

I would not give a shit if the SA team was 11 blacks, given the simple proviso that they are the best 11 in the country, and I would support them just the same.

taipan wrote:

OP Tipping wrote:What are the details of the quota system now?

EDIT: Because my impression is that it is now a system of soft guidelines rather than fixed quotas.

International team is slightly soft. Should be 4 POC.

Domestic is hard. 6 POC, of whom 3 must be black.

We all understand the reasons for this but it seems sad, and certainly discriminatory that some sections of the population have in theory eleven spots open to them while some a maximum of five they can hope to be eligible for.

If you're a young white Saffie cricketer with talent, why would you bother fighting an uphill battle to get into the national side, when it would be a lot easier, not to mention far more lucrative, to try and get an IPL or Big Bash contract?

The ICC turning a blind eye to what's going on in South Africa and Zimbabwe is a disgrace, and I think there is a massive storm brewing that they apparently cannot see, as usual.

As was alluded to in one of the articles in mainstream media, the ICC should look after the Windies for obvious reasons and SA because of the weak rand affecting players' financial prospects and hence the lure of the T20 comps.

Red wrote:

taipan wrote:

OP Tipping wrote:What are the details of the quota system now?

EDIT: Because my impression is that it is now a system of soft guidelines rather than fixed quotas.

International team is slightly soft. Should be 4 POC.

Domestic is hard. 6 POC, of whom 3 must be black.

We all understand the reasons for this but it seems sad, and certainly discriminatory that some sections of the population have in theory eleven spots open to them while some a maximum of five they can hope to be eligible for.

What are the reasons for it? I don't understand them at all. Maybe you can explain it.

So any idea/guesses as to who the former Protea is who was arrested for match fixing? I assume he is still playing cricket at first class/provincial level?

Henry wrote:So any idea/guesses as to who the former Protea is who was arrested for match fixing? I assume he is still playing cricket at first class/provincial level?

Don't think anyone has been arrested yet. My son came up with an interesting name, that ticks a couple of boxes for me. For obvious reasons I don't want to name him on a public forum.