Re: London Mayor: The nothing to do with Langer and Fred thread

[freddled gruntbuggly]

Allan, could you please change your avatar?
We've finally got that miserable bastard out of office and pretty well out of public life in this country, but the scars from the last 11 years run deep.

[Allan D]

It was you that suggested that he and I were one and the same so you (and Horace) have only yourselves to blame. From my vantage point 12,000 miles away he looked a decent bloke. He certainly seemed to be an improvement on the alien reptile who preceded him who appeared to believe that Britain was a greater threat to Australia in the last unpleasantness than Japan was but then I didn't have to live under his authority. The new bloke looks a bit like a manager of an employment scheme for delinquent youths but then he's your choice not mine and like Labour here in the '80s & '90s and the Tories since 1997 the ALP seems to have had several goes before they found someone the electorate could tolerate.

Anyway, after several goes myself here's someone you might tolerate and with whom I have at least a slight connection since he is the only Test player born in my home town and I doubt whether even Skully or Wide Wally would recognise him. He played for England twice, becoming the second England player to appear for three separate counties in a career lasting 17 seasons including two historic rivals, one of whom, by custom and practice, he should not have played for at all. It will be the 75th anniversary of the final completion of his innings and his return to the ethereal pavilion in exactly 3 weeks' time.

[Guest]

the alien reptile

Oh Allan, I warned you not to go to that seven-hour David Icke lecture...

[Hass]

John Howard was a decent bloke, but some people find it easier to live with themselves if they make him out to be a demonic hatemonger.

[horace]

i do not consider howard demonic...but he certainly knew when to be divisive..eg playing the race card

[Merlin]

John Howard was a decent bloke, but some people find it easier to live with themselves if they make him out to be a demonic hatemonger.

Whilst I cannot comment on John Howard's track record (other than what I've read in the papers here)-
I'd agree totally with your comment about the trendy trend to demonize past political figures because
some people found it easier to live with themselves by following that code.
Of course, if you happen to oppose or buck that trend openly, you're immediately branded either a racist
or a rabid BNP member by the half-cocked pseud's who think they know better.

Recently both Thatcher (despite attempts by Gordon Brown to salivate about her achievements) and Churchill
have been relentlessly castigated by the PC pseuds over their "racist" policies (???) whilst the king of bling,
Tony "six mansion" Blair - having left turmoil in the wake of his slithering out of office, (but not before dragging
the UK into a totally unnecessary war) - is lauded as a politician who had "visionary" ideas that altered Britain !!
And now, even Red Ken Livingstone get's the plaudits, whilst Johnson, a week into office as Mayor, is viewed
suspiciously by Polly "Italian villa" Toynbe of the Grauniad as a closet facist attempting to curry favour by
appointing a black Deputy Mayor !! FFS
If they were'nt all so serious (as the Leftist dream begins to crumble) it would be laughable!

I now await the onslaught from those righteous pseuds revelling in their inevitable screams of "tory racist" !

[lardbucket]

[shrill]Tory racist[/shrill].

[doremi]

So, how many right wingers do we have in this forum? Allan D, merlin and Vikas are certainties, any more? All three seem a pretty way away from the centre.....

[Brass Monkey]

So, how many right wingers do we have in this forum? Allan D, merlin and Vikas are certainties, any more? All three seem a pretty way away from the centre.....

I'd nominate Geoffrey Trueman and Basil.

[Merlin]

So, how many right wingers do we have in this forum? Allan D, merlin and Vikas are certainties, any more? All three seem a pretty way away from the centre.....

You mean from YOUR interpretation of where "the Centre" happens to be on a
particular day that suits you??

Because of my support for Thatcher and her policies - okay, she screwed up with the school kiddies milk deprivation
and the Council Tax (which is now accepted as visionary AND the norm - under Labour) ... and because I abhor
the sleeze ridden, snouts-in-money-trough "New Labour" and what they've promised yet patently failed to achieve or deliver -
I am branded "pretty way away from the centre...! ...

Okay! I agree ... Guilty as charged !!
But to be therefore be deemed a "racist" (as I have been on here by idiots) .... errrr ... emphatically NO.

[Allan D]

I'm either branded a sex maniac or a right-winger, make up your minds, although you might regard them as one and the same . I would classify myself as an independent libertarian. I used to be a member of the Labour Party and was elected as the Labour candidate in a mock election at my school (the only election I've ever won although I think it represented the voting preferences of the pupils' parents). However I steadily grew disillusioned with Labour throughout the 1980s and last voted Labour in the 1987 General Election.

Since then I've voted Conservative, Green, Conservative and Liberal Democrat (the latter for tactical reasons as the best means to remove the local hard left MP). In the GLA elections I voted for Boris and the straight Tory ticket (although living in a strong Labour area) although I voted for Ken when he stood as an Independent in 2000. I supported Tony Blair personally and approved of the decision to overthrow Saddam Hussein (and still do) unlike the so-called Left today who cannot pass a tyranny without seeking to put in a good word for it viz. Cuba, Iran, China, Syria, North Korea etc.

As for the real rightwingers on this forum look no further than the self-appointed Censor-in-Chief, "Big Brother" Tac, representative of the New Order or is it just the discredited old order?

"The Catholic and the Communist are alike in assuming that an opponent cannot be both honest and intelligent. "

George Orwell

[PearlJ]

John Howard was a decent bloke, but some people find it easier to live with themselves if they make him out to be a demonic hatemonger.

Whilst I cannot comment on John Howard's track record (other than what I've read in the papers here)-
I'd agree totally with your comment about the trendy trend to demonize past political figures because
some people found it easier to live with themselves by following that code.
Of course, if you happen to oppose or buck that trend openly, you're immediately branded either a racist
or a rabid BNP member by the half-cocked pseud's who think they know better.

Recently both Thatcher (despite attempts by Gordon Brown to salivate about her achievements) and Churchill
have been relentlessly castigated by the PC pseuds over their "racist" policies (???) whilst the king of bling,
Tony "six mansion" Blair - having left turmoil in the wake of his slithering out of office, (but not before dragging
the UK into a totally unnecessary war) - is lauded as a politician who had "visionary" ideas that altered Britain !!
And now, even Red Ken Livingstone get's the plaudits, whilst Johnson, a week into office as Mayor, is viewed
suspiciously by Polly "Italian villa" Toynbe of the Grauniad as a closet facist attempting to curry favour by
appointing a black Deputy Mayor !! FFS
If they were'nt all so serious (as the Leftist dream begins to crumble) it would be laughable!

I now await the onslaught from those righteous pseuds revelling in their inevitable screams of "tory racist" !

WTF? Everyone knows Blair was a complete idiot.

But Johnson is elitist and facist. And the sooner is term is over the better.

[Guest]

WTF? Everyone knows Blair was a complete idiot.

...apart from the people who elected him three times, twice with thumping majorities.

But Johnson is elitist and facist. And the sooner is term is over the better.

Fascism is basically a socialist doctrine, not right wing at all.

[PearlJ]

WTF? Everyone knows Blair was a complete idiot.

...apart from the people who elected him three times, twice with thumping majorities.

But Johnson is elitist and facist. And the sooner is term is over the better.

Fascism is basically a socialist doctrine, not right wing at all.

Johnson just got elected. Whatever faith I had left in the British electorate has gone.

And facism has basis in left wing and right wing idealology. To call it a socialist doctrine is niave in the extreme.

[Guest]

And facism has basis in left wing and right wing idealology. To call it a socialist doctrine is niave in the extreme.

Not as naive as your spelling.

[PearlJ]

And facism has basis in left wing and right wing idealology. To call it a socialist doctrine is niave in the extreme.

Not as naive as your spelling.

2 of them were typos. But very good dodging of the point. Obviously your argument is so weak that you need to point out spelling errors.

[Growler]

WTF? Everyone knows Blair was a complete idiot.

...apart from the people who elected him three times, twice with thumping majorities.

But Johnson is elitist and facist. And the sooner is term is over the better.

He speaks ever so highly of you too, you know

Fascism is basically a socialist doctrine, not right wing at all.

Johnson just got elected. Whatever faith I had left in the British electorate has gone.

]Awwwwwwwww, nasty horrid electorate - destroying your faith in them. I hope they can live with themselves.

And facism has basis in left wing and right wing idealology. To call it a socialist doctrine is niave in the extreme.

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[Guest]

And facism has basis in left wing and right wing idealology. To call it a socialist doctrine is niave in the extreme.

Not as naive as your spelling.

2 of them were typos. But very good dodging of the point. Obviously your argument is so weak that you need to point out spelling errors.

So tell us about the Socialist side of Boris' alleged fascism.

[PearlJ]

And facism has basis in left wing and right wing idealology. To call it a socialist doctrine is niave in the extreme.

Not as naive as your spelling.

2 of them were typos. But very good dodging of the point. Obviously your argument is so weak that you need to point out spelling errors.

So tell us about the Socialist side of Boris' alleged fascism.

[doremi]

And facism has basis in left wing and right wing idealology. To call it a socialist doctrine is niave in the extreme.

Not as naive as your spelling.

2 of them were typos. But very good dodging of the point. Obviously your argument is so weak that you need to point out spelling errors.

So tell us about the Socialist side of Boris' alleged fascism.

Exactly.

[PearlJ]

And facism has basis in left wing and right wing idealology. To call it a socialist doctrine is niave in the extreme.

Not as naive as your spelling.

2 of them were typos. But very good dodging of the point. Obviously your argument is so weak that you need to point out spelling errors.

So tell us about the Socialist side of Boris' alleged fascism.

You're the one that said fascism was a socialist doctrine.

[Merlin]

Johnson just got elected.

Remember that, elected by in excess of a million votes ahead of Red Kenny - democratically .


Whatever faith I had left in the British electorate has gone.

Good .... perhaps you ought to avoid the polling booths next time round - your paranoia (about Johnson) is beginning to
cloud your judgement of the electorate

And facism has basis in left wing and right wing idealology. To call it a socialist doctrine is niave in the extreme.

Do you live in or around London PJ?
Or are you just a Kenophile who's a tad miffed that Londoners kicked him out after he screwed up?

[Basil]

So, how many right wingers do we have in this forum? Allan D, merlin and Vikas are certainties, any more? All three seem a pretty way away from the centre.....

I'd nominate Geoffrey Trueman and Basil.

Yeah, that would be why I think it's a bad thing for London that Johnson has been elected mayor. Fecking eejit!

[Guest]

You're the one that said fascism was a socialist doctrine.

You said Boris is fascist. Then you said that fascism's basis is in left-wing and right-wing ideology. So by your reasoning, Boris must be partly left wing. Tell us how.

[Merlin]

So, how many right wingers do we have in this forum? Allan D, merlin and Vikas are certainties, any more? All three seem a pretty way away from the centre.....

I'd nominate Geoffrey Trueman and Basil.

Yeah, that would be why I think it's a bad thing for London that Johnson has been elected mayor. Fecking eejit!

Fink a fecking eejit ?

Hmmm .... would explain a few things!

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