Re: England v NZ, 3rd Test, Trent Bridge, 5th-9th June

by Eric Air Emu Mon 09 Jun 2008, 18:42

Just thought this was a great article from David Mitchell re: the kiwis.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/may/31/englandcricketteam.newzealandcricketteam

I really couldn't care if they lived or died.

Except for Jeetan Patel of course, he's a c*nt.

by JKLever Mon 09 Jun 2008, 19:00

Decent article indeed. Can't really have banter on the forum as we have no kiwis since Maaaatt no longer doesn't have a life.

A 'Meh' series all round...

by PeterCS Mon 09 Jun 2008, 19:08

What's happened to Tom? He was a closet Kiwi, wasn't he?

by PearlJ Mon 09 Jun 2008, 19:14

JKLever wrote:Decent article indeed. Can't really have banter on the forum as we have no kiwis since Maaaatt no longer doesn't have a life.

A 'Meh' series all round...

I'm sure you will get your share in the SA series. Probably from one poster.

by JKLever Mon 09 Jun 2008, 19:24

PeterCS wrote:What's happened to Tom? He was a closet Kiwi, wasn't he?

Um, he posted 2 posts above yours Pete Wink

by PeterCS Mon 09 Jun 2008, 19:43

by Winkle Spinner Mon 09 Jun 2008, 20:33

Was it by the David Mitchell behind peep show?

by PeterCS Tue 10 Jun 2008, 00:31

Yes. The very same.

by LeFromage Tue 10 Jun 2008, 01:28

Was it really? Not sure about that. Doesn't seem the sporty type.

by LeFromage Tue 10 Jun 2008, 01:32

Well shut my mouth - here's another Guardian article (non-sport) from a David Mitchell, with a surely not coincidental mention of Peep Show.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/apr/25/britishidentity

by PeterCS Tue 10 Jun 2008, 01:41

Dello wrote:Was it really? Not sure about that. Doesn't seem the sporty type.

Suit yourself, Jay.

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/05/31/hohum_kiwis_could_try_haka_to.html

by LeFromage Tue 10 Jun 2008, 02:15

Did I not just clear that up in the previous post?

Well, it's doubly cleared up now. Clear to the power of two.

by Invader Zim Tue 10 Jun 2008, 02:26

I love it when a plan comes together.

by Big_Bad_Bob Tue 10 Jun 2008, 11:51

Stupid Snoozers.

Sunday and yesterday were perfect cricket watching days, and with tickets for both I got to see precisely one hour of one of the meekest surrenders (Oram aside) since the cheese eaters watched the German tanks roll all the way to Gay Paris.

Mad

Hey-ho. Got pissed and made a nuisance of ourselves in the pavilion instead.

by freddled gruntbuggly Tue 10 Jun 2008, 11:52

Big_Bad_Bob wrote:Stupid Snoozers.

Sunday and yesterday were perfect cricket watching days, and with tickets for both I got to see precisely one hour of one of the meekest surrenders (Oram aside) since the cheese eaters watched the German tanks roll all the way to Gay Paris.

Gee, that sounds almost like what happened to me last time the Poms played at the G . . .

by JKLever Tue 10 Jun 2008, 11:53

Big_Bad_Bob wrote:Stupid Snoozers.

Sunday and yesterday were perfect cricket watching days, and with tickets for both I got to see precisely one hour of one of the meekest surrenders (Oram aside) since the cheese eaters watched the German tanks roll all the way to Gay Paris.

Hey-ho. Got pissed and made a nuisance of ourselves in the pavilion instead.

I loved the fact that some of the crowd were booing the wickets and cheering the snoozers runs...

by Big_Bad_Bob Tue 10 Jun 2008, 11:54

JKLever wrote:
Big_Bad_Bob wrote:Stupid Snoozers.

Sunday and yesterday were perfect cricket watching days, and with tickets for both I got to see precisely one hour of one of the meekest surrenders (Oram aside) since the cheese eaters watched the German tanks roll all the way to Gay Paris.

Hey-ho. Got pissed and made a nuisance of ourselves in the pavilion instead.

I loved the fact that some of the crowd were booing the wickets and cheering the snoozers runs...

Can't think who that could have been!

innocent

by Merlin Tue 10 Jun 2008, 11:58

And for beating this inept bunch, England climb to the dizzy heights of 3rd place in the rankings! Shocked

by Brass Monkey Tue 10 Jun 2008, 12:00

Merlin wrote:And for beating this inept bunch, England climb to the dizzy heights of 3rd place in the rankings!

Uuuhhhhhhh, merlin, I'm not sure if you've heard but all is well. We have SIX batsmen averaging over 40!!!

Amazing.

by Big_Bad_Bob Tue 10 Jun 2008, 12:13

Merlin wrote:And for beating this inept bunch, England climb to the dizzy heights of 3rd place in the rankings!

Even more scary is the fact that a good result against the Saffers will almost certainly see us back up to 2nd.

WTF? scratch

Of course, the reality is that there is mid-table congestion in the rankings and when we actually get handed our arse during the course of July and August we will be back down to 5th or 6th I should imagine.

by Sasha Tue 10 Jun 2008, 21:16

My day at Trent Bridge was marvellous for what it's worth, good company, good cricket, good food, good weather.

Much to my disappointment, I totally missed Mark Nicholas and his words of wisdom, but I shall get over that.

by PeterCS Tue 10 Jun 2008, 22:10

Yay! Sasha! aces

by ten years after Thu 12 Jun 2008, 14:06

Lara Lara Laughs wrote:
ten years after wrote:I did my own ranking based on Batting average and Wickets Per Match (which i feel is the least useless a pretty uselss set of the indicators of a bowlers effectiveness over a careeer). It seems reasonable that a battiong average of 30 is about equivalent to taking 3 wickets per tests so i calculated the All Rounder index as Batting Ave + (WPM * 10).

With a quallification of a batting average > 5 ans more than 2.5 WPM this gives:

1. Sobers 82.8
2. Imran 78.7
3. Hadlee 77.3
4. Faulkner 73.8
5, Shaun Pollock 72.5
6. Jack Gregory 72
7. Botham 70.5
8. Mankad 68.5
Cairns 68.5
10. Miller 68
11. Tate 65.5
12. Goddard 64.4
13 Kapil Dev 64.1
14 Flintoff 61.9
15. Noble 60.3

In matches that Rhodes was picked primarily as a bowler he rated 64.1.

Sobers only just sneaks in as he took exactly 2.5 WPM. A more onerous criterion for WPM would put Imran as number 1.

A rating system that puts Cairns ahead of Miller, Tate and Noble is obviously far from perfect but it is generally pretty reasonable i feel. Ideally some adjustment should be made for matches in which players didn't bowl (this brings Noble up a bit) or where their careers were extended inappropriately such as with Botham and maybe Kapil Dev. Faulkners last test a decade after his previous one distorts his figures downwards given the few tests that were played at that time.

No room for Greig or Kallis?

Shaun Pollock above Botham as an allrounder?

Botham would probably be top of the bowlers tree if he hadn't injured himself.

If Botham's last 12 tests (spread over nearly 6 years) are excluded he would score 76 on this scale which would put him 4th. Then again if Faulkner's last test (12 years after his previous test) is excluded he rates 76.1.

Grieg would have scored 64.7 but he took fewer than 2.5 wickets per test so i didn't include him. Kallis would score 76.4 but has not even taken 2 wickets per test. If there is no such restriction Bradman is top with a score of 109.9.

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