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Post by Zat Thu 12 Jun 2008, 02:08

According to Lalit Modi "any ICL player playing for any team automatically disqualifies that team from participating [in the Champions League.] No exceptions will be made under any circumstances."

Given that about two-dozen ICL-contracted players are also signed up to play county cricket, which counties won't even get the chance to play in the CL?

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Post by Basil Thu 12 Jun 2008, 02:09

Zat wrote:According to Lalit Modi "any ICL player playing for any team automatically disqualifies that team from participating [in the Champions League.] No exceptions will be made under any circumstances."

Given that about two-dozen ICL-contracted players are also signed up to play county cricket, which counties won't even get the chance to play in the CL?

I thought Cricket Australia were drawing up the rules for the Champions League.
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Post by Zat Thu 12 Jun 2008, 02:12

Basil wrote:I thought Cricket Australia were drawing up the rules for the Champions League.

Like that would ever be allowed to happen.

Modi said he would be able to provide a clear picture only after the BCCI's working committee discusses the issue during a meeting scheduled on June 22.

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Post by LeFromage Thu 12 Jun 2008, 02:15

They haven't even drawn up the rules yet - it's just Modi shooting his mouth off, trying to hijack the whole thing.

Legally, the counties think his position is total bullshit and are preparing to go to court if he attempts to block them taking part.
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Post by Zat Thu 12 Jun 2008, 02:17

Do any counties have the money, or do any of the ECB, CA or CSA have the cojones to stand up to Modi, or take him to court? I'll happily put money on Modi getting wehatever he wants.

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Post by LeFromage Thu 12 Jun 2008, 02:20

The row over the rebel Indian Cricket League intensified yesterday with one player threatening legal action if he is prevented from playing in this autumn's lucrative Champions League.

Hampshire's Nic Pothas, who played for Delhi in the ICL, has said he will resort to the courts if threats of a ban materialise. "It is a ridiculous situation," he said. "What the Indians fail to acknowledge is that there are rules and regulations on this side of the world.

"We have rights as professionals and, if I needed to, I would seek redress through the law. This is my job, and if someone tries to stop me working I would go to court."

Pothas will have a good case under restraint of trade laws. Andrew Fitch-Holland, who helped Andrew Hall win his recent appeal against an England and Wales Cricket Board ban for playing ICL cricket, confirmed that the players would have a case and could sue either the ECB or their county.

But Lalit Modi, the commissioner of the IPL and the driving force behind the ban, underlined his stance yesterday. "One of the rules for ICC tournaments is that players cannot appear in unofficial tournaments. That is that," he said. "We have all discussed this issue, and the boards know where they stand. New Zealand even went as far as dropping Shane Bond from their team because he played for the ICL, and there will be no exceptions made for English counties."

Stuart Law, the Lancashire batsman who played in the ICL, said he had offered to stand down from the Twenty20 Cup.

"I've spoken with Mike Watkinson, our cricket manager, and Jim Cumbes, the chief executive. I said: 'I don't want to spoil it for the rest of these guys, who have an opportunity to be involved in something great. If you want me to stand down, I will.'

"But they keep saying: 'We want to pick our best team, we want to win this competition. If we're lucky enough to win the trophy, we'll worry about the consequences then.'

"We're not starting a war, we're just playing cricket. We're providing for our families, and if we do that in other parts of the world and in other competitions we're not trying to hurt anyone."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2008/06/11/scindi111.xml
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Post by LeFromage Thu 12 Jun 2008, 02:23

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2008/06/10/scfron110.xml

It's not Modi they'll be suing...
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Post by Zat Thu 12 Jun 2008, 02:24

Dello, I hope it happens, and that Modi is put in his place, but I still reckon he'll get whatever he wants. This year at least.

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Post by Zat Thu 12 Jun 2008, 02:30

From another Telegraph article "Only three counties do not have players on their books with ICL connections. At the moment, players who appeared only in the first season of the ICL are in the clear, but 10 counties employ players who played in the second competition. If two of those counties reach the Twenty20 Cup final they will not appear in the Champions League."

So, does Bas think this is what should happen by 'reaching an accommodation with the businessmen running t20 cricket' for the good of the game?

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Post by Invader Zim Thu 12 Jun 2008, 02:33

Modi = Some English counties cant qualify for the Champions League Mind-of-Mencia-48x48
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Post by Zat Thu 12 Jun 2008, 02:37

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Post by Basil Thu 12 Jun 2008, 02:37

Zat wrote:From another Telegraph article "Only three counties do not have players on their books with ICL connections. At the moment, players who appeared only in the first season of the ICL are in the clear, but 10 counties employ players who played in the second competition. If two of those counties reach the Twenty20 Cup final they will not appear in the Champions League."

So, does Bas think this is what should happen by 'reaching an accommodation with the businessmen running t20 cricket' for the good of the game?

I'm totally against anyone trying to dictate to a county, or a state who they should and should not pick. What I'm trying to get across is that if 20/20 is ignored, the game as we know it will not exist in ten years time. We will be left with competing 20/20 tournaments with the odd test played here and there as a museum piece.

Zat: you and I would both hate that. If you have an alternative soultion - post it here!
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Post by PearlJ Thu 12 Jun 2008, 02:37

The ECB ban on ICL players was challenged in court at the start of the season. And it was basically laughed out of court.

The ban is totally illegal. Modi doesn't have a leg to stand on. He's just banking on no-one challenging him.
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Post by LeFromage Thu 12 Jun 2008, 02:38

Good piece by Athers.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/cricket/article4116010.ece
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Post by Basil Thu 12 Jun 2008, 02:49

Dello wrote:Good piece by Athers.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/cricket/article4116010.ece

Just about everything I see as a "good thing" about 20/20 is covered in the second paragraph of that article. I defy anyone to disagree.

No-one but a loon would say that the current situation is satisfactory: too much cricket, player burn-out, power politics.
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Post by Zat Thu 12 Jun 2008, 02:52

Basil wrote:
Zat wrote:From another Telegraph article "Only three counties do not have players on their books with ICL connections. At the moment, players who appeared only in the first season of the ICL are in the clear, but 10 counties employ players who played in the second competition. If two of those counties reach the Twenty20 Cup final they will not appear in the Champions League."

So, does Bas think this is what should happen by 'reaching an accommodation with the businessmen running t20 cricket' for the good of the game?

I'm totally against anyone trying to dictate to a county, or a state who they should and should not pick. What I'm trying to get across is that if 20/20 is ignored, the game as we know it will not exist in ten years time. We will be left with competing 20/20 tournaments with the odd test played here and there as a museum piece.

Zat: you and I would both hate that. If you have an alternative soultion - post it here!

Bas, I don't have an alternative solution, except for the cricket boards - who are supposed to run the game - actually running the game. So far, they've been all too willing to lube up their dates and take the receptive position.

I think the horse has already bolted from the stable, the mounting yard, the fields, and indeed the entire estate. The millionaires are, in my opinion, firmly in control, and for the next few years, t20 will flourish. My big hope is that eventually, people will realise that t20 is shite, and interest will drop away to the point where the millionaires lose a shitload of money on their investments.


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Post by Lara Lara Laughs Thu 12 Jun 2008, 02:52

Basil wrote:
Dello wrote:Good piece by Athers.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/cricket/article4116010.ece

Just about everything I see as a "good thing" about 20/20 is covered in the second paragraph of that article. I defy anyone to disagree.


Didn't know you were so fond of Phil Neville to be honest.
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Post by Basil Thu 12 Jun 2008, 02:53

Lara Lara Laughs wrote:
Basil wrote:
Dello wrote:Good piece by Athers.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/cricket/article4116010.ece

Just about everything I see as a "good thing" about 20/20 is covered in the second paragraph of that article. I defy anyone to disagree.


Didn't know you were so fond of Phil Neville to be honest.

Yeah well, maybe we could do without a John Crawley wannabee.
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Post by JKLever Thu 12 Jun 2008, 10:57

I think all the counties will be eligible otherwise the whole competition is a nonsense.

I think the ICL players will miss out - meaning weaker sides.

I just hope there are copious amounts of legal challenges.
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Post by holcs Thu 12 Jun 2008, 11:05

JKLever wrote:I think all the counties will be eligible otherwise the whole competition is a nonsense.

I think the ICL players will miss out - meaning weaker sides.

I just hope there are copious amounts of legal challenges.

I suspect there may well be. Especially with over 2mill at stake! You can't see Lancs qualifying and accepting their best batter in Law not playing!!
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Post by taipan Thu 12 Jun 2008, 11:13

So which players will represent India. Will the IPL sides play?
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Post by The One Thu 12 Jun 2008, 11:35

que?

only the english sides are to be decided. rajasthan and chennai are through from india and 2 teams each from aus and sa. india starts a test series against aus just a week or so later, so thankfully not too many indian test players in the two sides

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Post by taipan Thu 12 Jun 2008, 11:48

The One wrote:que?

only the english sides are to be decided. rajasthan and chennai are through from india and 2 teams each from aus and sa. india starts a test series against aus just a week or so later, so thankfully not too many indian test players in the two sides

And the SA players in the IPL teams who have also qualified through their home province?
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Post by The One Thu 12 Jun 2008, 11:49

not decided yet

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Post by taipan Thu 12 Jun 2008, 11:50

Should have to play for their home team.
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