Re: Gooch & Hoggard on Pattinson

by Lara Lara Laughs Sun 20 Jul 2008, 02:15

I hear Hayden and Ponting eat babies (after verbally abusing them first in Hayden's case).

by Zat Sun 20 Jul 2008, 02:21

Normal service has been resumed. Thanks LLL.

by Lara Lara Laughs Sun 20 Jul 2008, 02:24

by furriner Sun 20 Jul 2008, 02:26

Cheating Aussie qunts. Shocked

by Big_Bad_Bob Sun 20 Jul 2008, 02:28

Zat wrote:OK, who's taken the forum and planted it in bizarroland? There's no way some of you guys ever say anything remotely positive about haydos and punter. What's going on?

I'm not saying anything positive about that pair, it's purely an indictment of the depths of ignorance that Prior plumbs.

Lest anyone doubts it, does it get more embarrassing than this?

Matt Cymbals Sussex Clapper wrote:

Away from the cricket, it's been good to see a bit of Sri Lanka.

One of the many, many benefits of playing international cricket is being able to travel the world and see so many sights, different cultures and ways of life and I love that.

I was here in 2005 on an 'A' tour and it's a beautiful country that has really developed.

On Wednesday, we were given the choice to take a trip to the Pinnawela Elephant Orphanage.

Hoggy, Monty Panesar and Ravi Bopara were a few of those who went and they ended up getting a ride on the elephants' back and all sorts.

A few of the other lads opted out of that to grab a quiet round of golf in the beautiful sunshine of Kandy.

The trouble with sportsmen is that sooner or later it gets seriously competitive and it's already the first thing we talk about over breakfast of a morning

Prior on Championship Manager

I, however, did neither of those things. Unfortunately, Stuart Broad, James Anderson and I have got a bit of a syndicate going on and we all pitched up at the hotel in the morning, dropped our bags in our room - and played Championship Manager all day.

I know - I'm a grown man and, honestly, computer games are not normally my thing - but it's so addictive!

We made a deal whereby you couldn't take over a Manchester United or a Chelsea or anything - we have to take a lower league club and build them up.

Obviously, I've gone with Brighton - and I am slowly but surely ruining them. I don't really know what I'm doing wrong but it's clear I'd never make a football manager!

What makes it worse is that Broady's already taken Nottingham Forest into Europe. That said, he did cheat - he took over Chelsea and bought three of his own players for £30m each, giving himself a transfer budget of £90m!

He's put that to use while Jimmy's Burnley and my Brighton struggle by with £120,000 or whatever it is.

There's no money on it - but the trouble with sportsmen is that sooner or later it gets seriously competitive and it's already the first thing we talk about over breakfast of a morning.

It's important for us all to enjoy time away from the game when we're away because otherwise tours can get far too intensive and pressurised

Furthermore, and I'm going to look like a right badger when I admit this as well, I've also become utterly addicted to Prison Break.

A few of the lads recommended it and so I bought the box sets at the airport - and I watched series one within the first week! It's the best programme ever, honestly.

Now I'm just trying to catch up with series two so I don't have to leave the room when anyone talks about the ending!

Says it's good to see a bit of Sri Lanka, then admits he's done 'nowt but play Championship Manager and watch Prison Break.

What a fark-wit.

The rest of the article: -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/england/7117696.stm

Embarassed

by Lara Lara Laughs Sun 20 Jul 2008, 02:32

I know people who have lost 39 years to Champ manager though.

by Big_Bad_Bob Sun 20 Jul 2008, 02:33

Lara Lara Laughs wrote:I know people who have lost 39 years to Champ manager though.

I daresay they weren't folk with the distraction of international sport and Sri Lanka at their fingertips however?

I'd love to hear what someone like David Gower who squeezed every last drop of experience out of every tour he ever went on makes of this sort of crap.

by Gary 111 Sun 20 Jul 2008, 11:26

Big_Bad_Bob wrote:
Basil wrote:
Big_Bad_Bob wrote:
Basil wrote:If Broad goes, then Ambrose definitely has to be replaced - probably by Prior - otherwise, a six, seven, eight of Ambrose, Flintoff and Hoggard/Tremlett/Jones/Harmison is too awful a prospect to countenance.

Thinking about it - that probably guarantees Broad's continued selection.

No, no, no, no, no!

Anything but that twat coming back into the side.

I'll give up for good, seek Moores out and punch him on the nose if it happens.

Who then?

As I say, Anything but that twat.

But more specifically, and in order: -

Foster
Read

. . . big gap . . .

Batty
Sutton

. . . another big gap . . .

Davies
Drag the gaffer out of retirement

. . . a further big gap . . .

Anyone else in County cricket

. . . yet another big gap . . .

Our Club's 2nd XI keeper
Our Club's 1st XI keeper

. . . a huge chasm . . .

Matt Sussex.

Aye. agree completely. Couldn't have put it better myself. (Except i'd add my club's reserve 2nd XI keeper in too)

by freddled gruntbuggly Sun 20 Jul 2008, 11:30

JKLever wrote:I'm not having it...

Sorry mate, but as it goes, you have no choice but to have it.
Unless you want to stage a palace coup and take over from Grave and Miller . . .

by skully Sun 20 Jul 2008, 11:33

furriner wrote:Cheating Aussie qunts.

Much better. furry brings the forum back on an even keel.

applause

by freddled gruntbuggly Sun 20 Jul 2008, 11:34

PearlJ wrote:
PeterCS wrote:So what about Kepler Wessels. Before your time I know. But googlable.

Pietersen clearly claims that he was effectively debarred from fair consideration by a sort of cricketing reverse-apartheid.
I was never happy about Wessels. Neither was any other Australian I ever talked to.

I think that was mainly because he was such a jerk. One of those players who got almost everyone's back up just by the way he strutted around on the field . . .

by Gary 111 Sun 20 Jul 2008, 11:37

Big_Bad_Bob wrote:
Henry wrote:Being an unpleasant gob-shite is better than being a timid little rabbit in the headlights when it comes to playing good cricket.

Big_Bad_Bob wrote:

Per a Wisden Cricketer article this month, the net worth of the respective England keepers to their side over the last 7 years: -

Credit Crunch - Tests since 2001-02

Tests Byes Conceded Runs cost in missed chances Avge runs cost per Test Batting average Net figure
______________Tests__Byes____Runs cost__Av Runs cost___Bat Av____Net figure

Alec Stewart____18____142_____115_______14.28_________41.41_____27.13
Chris Read_____12_____29_____10_________3.25_________21.46_____18.21
Tim Ambrose____6_____43_____48________15.17_________30.44_____15.27
Geraint Jones___34____278_____296_______16.88_________23.91_____7.03
James Foster____7_____47_____84_________18.71_________25.11_____6.4
Matt Prior______10_____142____485________62.7__________40.14____-22.56

Takes into account batting average, byes conceded, runs cost in missed chances.

Utterly damning for Prior.

Moores, Miller et al want shooting if this turkey comes anywhere near the gauntlets for his country again.

This table is very interesting, and confirmed my suspicions about Prior.

Clearly having Prior at 6 to lengthen the batting is a clear false economy as on average the other team will score 50 more runs every Test because he's such an inept wicket keeper.

And I suspect this table is being kind to Prior, twice against India I remember batsmen (think it was Tendulkar and Laxman) getting thin little flicks off their legs, at a similar width to the one Boucher caught off Cook in the first innings. With his leaden footwork Prior got nowhere near them - I suspect Chris Read or James Foster would have. I bet these misses aren't even on this table because Prior was so far from catching them.

Bearing in mind that Read has underachieved with the bat in Test cricket (look at his FC average over the last 5 years) then it is clear he is the outstanding candidate. James Foster has also improved immensely since that India tour 6 years ago. Both would do a fine job. But i've not given up hope for Ambrose either, tidy keeper, explosive batsmen - but also a poor starter of an innings, needs to work on that.

by skully Sun 20 Jul 2008, 11:39

Meh, I never had any dramas with Kepler. He served his adopted country well and then got financially shafted, so to look after his family, went back to Saffietown.

And just because he was a strutter, doesn't make him an @rsehole.

by skully Sun 20 Jul 2008, 11:41

Gary 111 wrote:This table is very interesting, and confirmed my suspicions about Prior.

But he does own a Porsche, Gaz. innocent

by freddled gruntbuggly Sun 20 Jul 2008, 11:44

skully wrote:And just because he was a strutter, doesn't make him an @rsehole.

No, but being an arsehole does.

Anyway, your opinion doesn't count. You love almost anyone who pulled on the baggy green and didn't completely disgrace it.

by skully Sun 20 Jul 2008, 11:46

freddled gruntbuggly wrote:
skully wrote:And just because he was a strutter, doesn't make him an @rsehole.
No, but being an arsehole does.

Anyway, your opinion doesn't count. You love almost anyone who pulled on the baggy green and didn't completely disgrace it.

Phurt. And I take it you are talking from first-hand experience, tails. Did you suffer some Red-v-Sooky like affront back in the 80s? Did Kepler refuse an autograph or somesuch.

by Gary 111 Sun 20 Jul 2008, 11:47

skully wrote:
Gary 111 wrote:This table is very interesting, and confirmed my suspicions about Prior.
But he does own a Porsche, Gaz.

Ah, forgot that. He really rubbed the Indian's nose in it didn't he?

I'm glad all the money in the IPL has come in, so some of the big name Indians are at least earning about a fifth of what multi-millionnaire Prior does in a year.

by PeterCS Sun 20 Jul 2008, 11:49

freddled gruntbuggly wrote:
skully wrote:And just because he was a strutter, doesn't make him an @rsehole.
No, but being an arsehole does.

Anyway, your opinion doesn't count. You love almost anyone who pulled on the baggy green and didn't completely disgrace it.

Not carnally, I hope.

by Winkle Spinner Sun 20 Jul 2008, 11:51

Most of the problem I have with Pattinson is that he's pretty much irrevocably gash. Can no one else see that?

I would even have preferred Jon Lewis.

by beamer Sun 20 Jul 2008, 11:51

Big_Bad_Bob wrote:
beamer wrote:In terms of the runs cost in missed chances, I suspect a couple of them are skewed by one or two mistakes where the batsman just happened to go on and make a huge score. It's not within the keeper's control whether that player he dropped gets one more run or 200. Perhaps 30 runs per missed chance would be a fairer "credit" to give them.

We'll keep going round in circles until we find the complete all-round package of course, which might take 5, 10 or 20 years - but it's easier to turn a batsman into a keeper than a keeper into a batsman, as Stewart proved. And a wicketkeeper's just a fielder with gloves when it comes down to it, you wouldn't pick a specialist short leg who couldn't bat!

So because Stewart did it, that proves it for everyone else regardless does it?!

FFS, Beamer - I'd expect better of you, chap!

So all Notts supporters should be blindly supporting Read for England should they? I'd perhaps have him in the one-day side but he was clearly out of his depth against quality Test bowling. And he's just about 30 now so it's time to think about the next generation. I'd rather keep him as Notts captain, he's doing a decent job there.

What I'm saying about the keeper-batsman issue is that it's probably easier to improve someone's keeping to a competent level than it is to get someone who is nowhere near a Test class batsman to develop into one. And a competent keeper's all you need. Not suggesting Prior or any of the other names we have available is necessarily the answer. I just wish someone would emerge to solve this problem once and for all!

by skully Sun 20 Jul 2008, 11:53

Bring back Grunt!!!

by freddled gruntbuggly Sun 20 Jul 2008, 12:02

skully wrote:
freddled gruntbuggly wrote:
skully wrote:And just because he was a strutter, doesn't make him an @rsehole.
No, but being an arsehole does.

Anyway, your opinion doesn't count. You love almost anyone who pulled on the baggy green and didn't completely disgrace it.
Phurt. And I take it you are talking from first-hand experience, tails. Did you suffer some Red-v-Sooky like affront back in the 80s? Did Kepler refuse an autograph or somesuch.

I would never have asked the sneer-faced weasel for an autograph. Be almost as bad as asking for a dubber's . . .

by skully Sun 20 Jul 2008, 12:29

freddled gruntbuggly wrote:
skully wrote:
freddled gruntbuggly wrote:
skully wrote:And just because he was a strutter, doesn't make him an @rsehole.
No, but being an arsehole does.

Anyway, your opinion doesn't count. You love almost anyone who pulled on the baggy green and didn't completely disgrace it.
Phurt. And I take it you are talking from first-hand experience, tails. Did you suffer some Red-v-Sooky like affront back in the 80s? Did Kepler refuse an autograph or somesuch.
I would never have asked the sneer-faced weasel for an autograph. Be almost as bad as asking for a dubber's . . .

Sneerist.

by freddled gruntbuggly Sun 20 Jul 2008, 12:30

And proud of it.

by Big_Bad_Bob Sun 20 Jul 2008, 12:47

beamer wrote:
Big_Bad_Bob wrote:
beamer wrote:In terms of the runs cost in missed chances, I suspect a couple of them are skewed by one or two mistakes where the batsman just happened to go on and make a huge score. It's not within the keeper's control whether that player he dropped gets one more run or 200. Perhaps 30 runs per missed chance would be a fairer "credit" to give them.

We'll keep going round in circles until we find the complete all-round package of course, which might take 5, 10 or 20 years - but it's easier to turn a batsman into a keeper than a keeper into a batsman, as Stewart proved. And a wicketkeeper's just a fielder with gloves when it comes down to it, you wouldn't pick a specialist short leg who couldn't bat!

So because Stewart did it, that proves it for everyone else regardless does it?!

FFS, Beamer - I'd expect better of you, chap!

So all Notts supporters should be blindly supporting Read for England should they? I'd perhaps have him in the one-day side but he was clearly out of his depth against quality Test bowling. And he's just about 30 now so it's time to think about the next generation. I'd rather keep him as Notts captain, he's doing a decent job there.

What I'm saying about the keeper-batsman issue is that it's probably easier to improve someone's keeping to a competent level than it is to get someone who is nowhere near a Test class batsman to develop into one. And a competent keeper's all you need. Not suggesting Prior or any of the other names we have available is necessarily the answer. I just wish someone would emerge to solve this problem once and for all!

Not at all.

I'm not talking about Read, or even directly about Prior.

It was your wild assertion that because The Gaffer managed to improve his wicket-keeping, it naturally follows that everyone else will be able to as well.

Stewart was something of a part-time keeper for much of his career, so was clearly not making the most of the talent that he had initially as he had no reason to work at it to bring it up to international standard.

The Sussex Cymbals, however, has been a keeper for his entire cricketing career as far as I am aware, so it is reasonable to assume that he is already somewhere near the full capacity of his ability, and he's not even managed to master the basics like foot movement and soft hands yet.

In international terms his keeping is nowhere, and I see absolutely no prospect of it ever being so.

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