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Post by JKLever Fri 25 Jul 2008, 14:10

That's it - get the lad in there....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/england/7525319.stm
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Post by Big_Bad_Bob Fri 25 Jul 2008, 14:13

Nice timing.

I'd certainly have him in there before that waste of space, Barmy Harmy.
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Post by holcs Fri 25 Jul 2008, 14:15

Strange really that SiJo is being heralded as rapid, when in fact he was bar Hoggy the slowest of our quicks in the Ashes attack.

Generally hasn't ever really hit 90mph regularly, just occasionally. What he does have however is the ability to take wickets when the ball is like a potato, something that our current lot do not seem to possess.

If fit he's a better option that Harmi, purely for that reason alone!
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Post by JKLever Fri 25 Jul 2008, 14:17

Aye.

Jones at his best was 85/6 swinging it late either way.
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Post by Big_Bad_Bob Fri 25 Jul 2008, 14:17

holcs wrote:Strange really that SiJo is being heralded as rapid, when in fact he was bar Hoggy the slowest of our quicks in the Ashes attack.

Generally hasn't ever really hit 90mph regularly, just occasionally. What he does have however is the ability to take wickets when the ball is like a potato, something that our current lot do not seem to possess.

If fit he's a better option that Harmi, purely for that reason alone!

And he's not crazy in the coconut.
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Post by holcs Fri 25 Jul 2008, 14:19

Big_Bad_Bob wrote:
holcs wrote:Strange really that SiJo is being heralded as rapid, when in fact he was bar Hoggy the slowest of our quicks in the Ashes attack.

Generally hasn't ever really hit 90mph regularly, just occasionally. What he does have however is the ability to take wickets when the ball is like a potato, something that our current lot do not seem to possess.

If fit he's a better option that Harmi, purely for that reason alone!

And he's not crazy in the coconut.

Quite right, although he is Welsh?! shrug
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Post by THICKEDGE Fri 25 Jul 2008, 14:41

Jones was genuinely quick before his first big injury. In his big 2005 season he never really got up to 90mph.

Harmi, Flintoff, Mahmood, Onions and Plunkett are all quicker. What Jones does/did is/was get the old ball to reverse.
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Post by Henry Fri 25 Jul 2008, 15:13

Maybe i'm going crazy, but i'm getting a feeling of deja vu reading this thread. Didn't a similar discussion develop about 2 months ago? And someone said that they'd rather Jones was in there than Harmi?

Weird.
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Post by Henry Fri 25 Jul 2008, 15:14

Anyway, Jonah is awesome. Love his attitude, and always have.
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Post by JKLever Fri 25 Jul 2008, 15:26

Henry wrote:Maybe i'm going crazy, but i'm getting a feeling of deja vu reading this thread. Didn't a similar discussion develop about 2 months ago? And someone said that they'd rather Jones was in there than Harmi?

Weird.

Yes, and I wouldn't have picked him then after a couple of first class games...
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Post by Don't quote me Fri 25 Jul 2008, 15:44

Since 2005 Jones rep has gone thru the roof

it' worth remembering he has never managed to complete an entire series, with a bowl average below 30, apart from against Bang

if he stays out of the team for another few yrs, he will hit all time great status, playing cricket for ENG could be the worst thing he could do for his reputation

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Post by Henry Fri 25 Jul 2008, 15:46

He's always been dangerous when playing for England. Always beats the bat, finds movement on flat pitches, gets in the batsmen's faces....

The botom line is that he is class. But yes, he is an injury waiting to happen. Doesn't mean he isn't class when he plays.
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Post by PeterCS Fri 25 Jul 2008, 15:47

I thought he was holed up in a cabin with a shotgun, two pistols and half the ECB at first.
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Post by PeterCS Fri 25 Jul 2008, 15:48

Get Muscleboyo in there!
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Post by JKLever Fri 25 Jul 2008, 15:49

Don't quote me wrote:
it' worth remembering he has never managed to complete an entire series, with a bowl average below 30, apart from against Bang

So we should ignore the fact he's got 15+ wickets v Aus & SA in a series just because he's liable to break down?

When he plays he's class.
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Post by Basil Fri 25 Jul 2008, 17:21

JKLever wrote:Aye.

Jones at his best was 85/6 swinging it late either way.

When televised this season, he's been getting it down at anything up to 90/91 m.p.h. Perhaps this is the first time in his career when he's been truly fit.
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Post by Chivalry Augustus Fri 25 Jul 2008, 17:51

Fletch always told Fletch to make his quick ball his variety. So he bowled it intermittently instead of winging it down at full-pace. He was always capable of 90 mph, he simply didn't utilise his pace recklessly. Nowadays, with his upper body bulk, I think he might be bowling a bit faster. Off a shorter run up too by the look of things?
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Post by Basil Fri 25 Jul 2008, 17:58

Augustus wrote:Fletch always told Fletch to make his quick ball his variety. So he bowled it intermittently instead of winging it down at full-pace. He was always capable of 90 mph, he simply didn't utilise his pace recklessly. Nowadays, with his upper body bulk, I think he might be bowling a bit faster. Off a shorter run up too by the look of things?

I think his run-up is much the same as it ever was.
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Post by Chivalry Augustus Fri 25 Jul 2008, 18:03

Must be my imagination then, or maybe it's his fat arse that makes everything else look smaller. Wink
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Post by Big_Bad_Bob Fri 25 Jul 2008, 18:11

I'd go with Augustus, I think he's ambling in far more slowly now than back in 2005.

See around about 30 seconds in here.



Can't find any footage from this season, the best I can do is this really ropey phone video from last year, and I reckon it's even more of an amble now.

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Post by JKLever Fri 25 Jul 2008, 18:16

He's still not racing in there though by any means...

There's a video of him taking a couple of wickets on the Worcs CCC website front page
http://www.wccc.co.uk/

Difficult to tell.

The Ambling run up and powerful delivery is how he was bowling in his first test match in 2002
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Post by Big_Bad_Bob Fri 25 Jul 2008, 18:22

Sure.

He never has raced in, but he's certainly more fluent and attacking the crease more aggressively than I recall from this season.

Could be my mind playing tricks on me, but I'm thinking of that excellent spell where he was on a hat-trick (was it against Hants?) earlier in the season.

That's the only time I've had a good look at him bowling this season.
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Post by DJ_Smerk Fri 25 Jul 2008, 23:04

He's Awesome and Welsh. He's got alot more guts and balls than most of the English bowling attack.


Better than that sooking geordie.
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Post by skully Sat 26 Jul 2008, 01:45

What's the basis of the blogger's (Kriscricket) view that Jimmy may be dropped to make way for Jones? Is there talk of adding a 6th batsman? Surely Pattinson goes and Jones comes in.
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Post by Big_Bad_Bob Sat 26 Jul 2008, 02:06

Nah - Sidebottom has been England's most consistent bowler for the last year.

He's certain to start if fit - which he will be by all accounts.
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