South Africa reject tri-series proposal

you forgot the aussies and the zims. and the ecb when we feel like. and of course we pressured nz to drop bond

Brass Monkey wrote:

doremi wrote:Cynic.

Australia is our biggest series right now. Everyone wants to watch it, every cricketer wants to play in it. So there isn't going to be many big gaps between tours there. Pakistan is Pakistan. But the FTP is adhered to by the BCCI pretty much except when it comes to Bangladesh, and personally I'm not too fussed about that.

Nor am I man. But what I am fussed about is the fact Bangladesh is used as a pawn by the BCCI in any ICC votes and personally think the least they can do is give them a tour, considering the vote is pretty valuable.

Maybe Bangladesh are happy to progress slowly as well. You have to earn your place in the pecking order and who wants to see them thrashed all the time when one could be watching the big boys slug it out.

The India Australia series will draw huge money and big money is good for the game.

Para Batsman wrote:

Brass Monkey wrote:

doremi wrote:Cynic.

Australia is our biggest series right now. Everyone wants to watch it, every cricketer wants to play in it. So there isn't going to be many big gaps between tours there. Pakistan is Pakistan. But the FTP is adhered to by the BCCI pretty much except when it comes to Bangladesh, and personally I'm not too fussed about that.

Nor am I man. But what I am fussed about is the fact Bangladesh is used as a pawn by the BCCI in any ICC votes and personally think the least they can do is give them a tour, considering the vote is pretty valuable.

Maybe Bangladesh are happy to progress slowly as well. You have to earn your place in the pecking order and who wants to see them thrashed all the time when one could be watching the big boys slug it out.

The India Australia series will draw huge money and big money is good for the game.

Have you had your head up your arse for the past 2 years?

Two years is the tip of the iceberg when the big financial groups start to show interest and they don't wan't minnows slowing their momentum.

Merlin wrote:

Chandan wrote:Because for some reason BD board wants to have an extra ODI series in BD for their own finance instead of touring us. And BCCI agrees to them without resisting because they do not want to lose a vote in ICC meetings.

I have not been ignoring this or any question in this discussion but for some reason, people seemed more keen to discuss cricket in India which is in good health instead of Pak or NZ which are on the verge of bankruptcy!

Indian cricket will always be healthy and wealthy - thanks to the millions of fans who treat their cricketers as Bollywood stars rather than just mere sportsmen.

However, it is the corruptness and manipulation of the BCCI - using that wealth as muscle to manipulate smaller and less financially stable Boards - that antagonises the rest of the cricketing world.

Holding cricket to ransom by such means, as the BCCI craves to do to suit their will, can only drive a wedge into the ICC (controlled by the BCCI andyway) - and thus fragment cricket as we now know it.

The sooner the BCCI realize this and stop acting like they are under-privileged, Imperialist dominated arseholes who need to prove a point against their former Colonial masters and others of that ilk by bullying their way around the circuit, the better all round for the sport.

It's patently clear the BCCI have the PCB, BCA, SACB, SLCB and the WICB deep in their pockets... it's just such a shame to watch them blatantly using them as political tools to always do as the BCCI demand.

Merlin,

Either read the whole thread to see what is being discussed or keep explaining each and every allegation of yours. Because your allegations are completely flase and far far far away from truth.

Holding cricket to ransom by such means. it's just such a shame to watch them blatantly using them as political tools to always do as the BCCI demand.

Don't be such a big hypocrite. Every board (including ECB, CA or every other board you forgot to list out) would love that except that they haven't have much power to do so.

thanks to the millions of fans who treat their cricketers as Bollywood stars rather than just mere sportsmen.

And thanks for representing millions of fans like us.

doremi wrote:

Just as an example you can see that India have played WI once in 6 years, and NZ once in nearly 6 years.

2001-2006 Windies have had a tour of India once and we've gone there twice.

ooops..

Well if thasts the case, then bar the Bangles it seems to me as if the gaps are purely due to the fact that there are an irregular number of teams in the FTP and also the fact that the majority are southern hemisphere sides, and therefore there must be a period of inactivity.

Chandan wrote:

Merlin,

Either read the whole thread to see what is being discussed or keep explaining each and every allegation of yours. Because your allegations are completely flase and far far far away from truth.

Chandan,

I HAVE read this thread AND several others linked vaguely to the topic.
I just find it nauseating to continually read about how good the farkin' BCCI are to it's poorer neighbours.

There is a reason for that.
It is quite simply defined as bribery and corruption in another form.
We'll scratch your back and you make damned sure you vote with us on ALL ICC issues.
Get used to the fact.
Unless you see things in a different light!

The BCCI do NO ONE any favours other than themselves. Nothing is given for nothing in their world -
They even refrain from supporting their own cricketing starts, unless of course it only suits them!
They are systematically crumbling the very essence of crickets ethos by insisting, adopting and demanding
the game be played in their model - viz T20 ... ie., additional ODI's supplementing Tests ... and if they don't get their way,
it's table thumping and threats to withdraw the services of contracted players.... the list is endless.

Even SG in his response cannot help but mention the word "power" ... relative to other Boards vs the BCCI.
It's got f**k all to do with power ... it's aiding and abetting other less fortunate countries ... enhancing the spirit of cricket,
and yes, making money along the way .... but the BCCI's main concern is the latter ... sod the poor buggers who struggle.

SG - Indian "fans" DO treat their cricketers as Bollywood prima donners mate ... accept the fact and move on.
God like worship with effigies at the ready for burning should things go pear shaped!!

Hope that answer satisfies Chandan.

i think the bcci should push to make lords a drive-in theatre with ipl action on screen all year round

and they will do it. because they can

The One wrote:i think the bcci should push to make lords a drive-in theatre with ipl action on screen all year round

and they will do it. because they can

There are some things even your corrupt guys at the BCCI cannot "buy".

Get used to it.

Merlin wrote:

The One wrote:i think the bcci should push to make lords a drive-in theatre with ipl action on screen all year round

and they will do it. because they can

There are some things even your corrupt guys at the BCCI cannot "buy".

Like overseas series wins?

The One wrote:i think the bcci should push to make lords a drive-in theatre with ipl action on screen all year round

and they will do it. because they can

I do know that TO here is being somewhat jovial.

But I wouldn't put it past the BCCI to try something that ridiculous.

The one organisation that the BCCI will I expect never be able to influence is the MCC.

taipan wrote:

Merlin wrote:

The One wrote:i think the bcci should push to make lords a drive-in theatre with ipl action on screen all year round

and they will do it. because they can

There are some things even your corrupt guys at the BCCI cannot "buy".

Like overseas series wins?

Gold.

holcs wrote:

The One wrote:i think the bcci should push to make lords a drive-in theatre with ipl action on screen all year round

and they will do it. because they can

I do know that TO here is being somewhat jovial.

But I wouldn't put it past the BCCI to try something that ridiculous.

That's the scary part.

holcs wrote:

taipan wrote:

Merlin wrote:

The One wrote:i think the bcci should push to make lords a drive-in theatre with ipl action on screen all year round

and they will do it. because they can

There are some things even your corrupt guys at the BCCI cannot "buy".

Like overseas series wins?

Gold.

Classic.

Bit out of date that one though...

holcs wrote:

The One wrote:i think the bcci should push to make lords a drive-in theatre with ipl action on screen all year round

and they will do it. because they can

I do know that TO here is being somewhat jovial.

But I wouldn't put it past the BCCI to try something that ridiculous.

The one organisation that the BCCI will I expect never be able to influence (or buy) is the MCC.

Fixed.
Jovial or not, some Indian forummers on here do like to play off the back of the "power" and "financial muscle" of their beloved BCCI -
which only goes to prove their endorsement of the rabid corruption by turning a blind eye to the admired fraudsters.

holcs wrote:

The One wrote:i think the bcci should push to make lords a drive-in theatre with ipl action on screen all year round

and they will do it. because they can

I do know that TO here is being somewhat jovial.

But I wouldn't put it past the BCCI to try something that ridiculous.

The one organisation that the BCCI will I expect never be able to influence is the MCC.

i think its a great idea

never say never

The One wrote:

holcs wrote:

The One wrote:i think the bcci should push to make lords a drive-in theatre with ipl action on screen all year round

and they will do it. because they can

I do know that TO here is being somewhat jovial.

But I wouldn't put it past the BCCI to try something that ridiculous.

The one organisation that the BCCI will I expect never be able to influence is the MCC.

i think its a great idea

never say never

Well you would being just a cricket purist!

Merlin wrote:

Chandan wrote:

Merlin,

Either read the whole thread to see what is being discussed or keep explaining each and every allegation of yours. Because your allegations are completely false and far far far away from truth.

Chandan,

I HAVE read this thread AND several others linked vaguely to the topic.
I just find it nauseating to continually read about how good the farkin' BCCI are to it's poorer neighbours.

The thread is not about how good or bad BCCI is to its neighbours, SA, Zim etc. The question we were discussing was why some countries do not have time to even catch a breath between the tours while some countries are cooling their heels not playing a single test match in a year.

Hope now it is clear to you.

There is a reason for that.
It is quite simply defined as bribery and corruption in another form.
We'll scratch your back and you make damned sure you vote with us on ALL ICC issues.
Get used to the fact.
Unless you see things in a different light!

I do not see things in a different light or whatever. If BCCI is asking some to support in the ICC meetings, do you think its opposition is twiddling its thumb? I hope you had heard about how England and Australia enjoyed the veto power once. Now why does it hurt them this bad when the shoe is on the other foot?

And why should this worry any of us fans? Whatever happens in the ICC meeting or happened before did not affect fans, nor will it affect now. But if we let few countries go down the drain like Pak is going without any competitive cricket now, the standard of test cricket will slip. And that will certainly hurt the fans

The BCCI do NO ONE any favours other than themselves. Nothing is given for nothing in their world -

Who is talking about BCCI here? I was talking about Pak and NZ. No board does any other board a favour unless that thing might be suiting its own agenda. Every board has an agenda-ECB, CA, CSA or even smaller board. Do you think ECB keeps on doing charity all along?

They even refrain from supporting their own cricketing starts, unless of course it only suits them!

So does every board. So what is new or unusual here?

They are systematically crumbling the very essence of crickets ethos by insisting, adopting and demanding
the game be played in their model - viz T20 ... ie., additional ODI's supplementing Tests ... and if they don't get their way,
it's table thumping and threats to withdraw the services of contracted players.... the list is endless.

So how do BCCI play it on their model? Every country has a domestic T20 system as does BCCI. What extra T20 is it playing?

Additional ODI : Who played the additional ODI first? In 2001 when England toured India, they played 6 ODIs. In 2002 when India toured England they played 7 ODIs. It was quite just of BCCI to demand 7 ODIs when England toured India next. They played 7 ODIs in 2006. ECB in turn demanded 7 ODIs from BCCI and India played 7 ODI when they toured in 2007. So once again BCCI is demanding 7 ODIs when England tour next?

Which is the year when it asked for additional ODIs, can you tell me. And If their demand is just why should they not persist? If ECB wanted fewer ODIs, they should have played fewer ODIs with India when India toured last?

Where does the law says thay that ECB can demand whatever it wants. But if the other board does the same, then that board is corrupt, is systematically crumbling the very essence of crickets ethos etc etc.?

Even SG in his response cannot help but mention the word "power" ... relative to other Boards vs the BCCI.
It's got f**k all to do with power ... it's aiding and abetting other less fortunate countries ... enhancing the spirit of cricket,
and yes, making money along the way .... but the BCCI's main concern is the latter ... sod the poor buggers who struggle.

Every board has equal power. It is not that BCCI possesses 10 votes in comparison to other boards.
BCCI is making money. But if the other boards are not able to, how is BCCI responsible for that? Why not ECB or CA instead? Aren't these destroying the cricket in Pak?

Hope that answer satisfies Chandan.

Nope it didn't. You answer all the questions I have raised and say how your allegations are correct.

Chandan wrote:

So how do BCCI play it on their model? Every country has a domestic T20 system as does BCCI. What extra T20 is it playing?

I can't believe that you classify IPL as a domestic competition.

taipan wrote:

Chandan wrote:

So how do BCCI play it on their model? Every country has a domestic T20 system as does BCCI. What extra T20 is it playing?

I can't believe that you classify IPL as a domestic competition.

It is.

It is the only T20 tournament it plays in the domestic cricket.

JKLever wrote:Bit out of date that one though...

For a scary moment there I thought this hadn't happened...
so yes gold and classic...

Chandan wrote:

taipan wrote:

Chandan wrote:

So how do BCCI play it on their model? Every country has a domestic T20 system as does BCCI. What extra T20 is it playing?

I can't believe that you classify IPL as a domestic competition.

It is.

It is the only T20 tournament it plays in the domestic cricket.

Don't be silly Chandan. It is competed for by made up franchises filled with foreign players.

If it is so "domestic" why do foreign players have to play for their Indian team as opposed to their domestic team, for whom they have played for years?