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Huh? Taipan, why do foreign players play in English county cricket? Doesn't mean we cannot call county cricket domestic cricket, does it?

And what has fanchise base got to do with it? That is how BCCI has formed the teams. Don't SA domestic teams have franchise too? Just because they do not offer big sums doesn't mean they are different!

Chandan wrote:Huh? Taipan, why do foreign players play in English county cricket? Doesn't mean we cannot call county cricket domestic cricket, does it?

And what has fanchise base got to do with it? That is how BCCI has formed the teams. Don't SA domestic teams have franchise too? Just because they do not offer big sums doesn't mean they are different!

Chandan, in every other country the same teams that play FC play for the T20 comp. They are not made up teams.

As usual I see you ignore questions that you are incapapable of answering.

Taips don't even go there.

Its a futile effort to ever explain the rationale behind the fact that it is inconcievably wrong that an overseas pro is not able to represent their own state in this tournament.



Chandan. You are correct that we have 1 overseas pro in the UK, however I would expect that should the desire of the overseas pro to play for his home state in this tournement the English side would comply with their wishes.

It is also not a domestic competition the IPL, as it has players that play for their home states in the Ranji playing for franchises in the IPL, in effect it does not mirror the domestic structure.

In SA a franchise is a sponsored State/Province, not as in the IPL, a bought in fake non-domestic team.

Which question am I incapable of answering? Every other country might have one model. India is a vast country and doesn't have time for every state associations T20 system. And Franchise system sytem are new one to give T20 system a cash boost as well as introduce foreign players too.

India plays FC cricket in state assiciation based tornament and zonal tournaments too which are made up teams from every zones! Is that not domestic cricket?

holcs wrote:Taips don't even go there.

Its a futile effort to ever explain the rationale behind the fact that it is inconcievably wrong that an overseas pro is not able to represent their own state in this tournament.

It is becoming like banging your head against an increasingly thicker wall.

Chandan wrote:India plays FC cricket in state assiciation based tornament and zonal tournaments too which are made up teams from every zones! Is that not domestic cricket?

But the T20 tems are not zonal.

So by your own definition the IPL is not domestic.

Chandan wrote:Which question am I incapable of answering? Every other country might have one model. India is a vast country and doesn't have time for every state associations T20 system. And Franchise system sytem are new one to give T20 system a cash boost as well as introduce foreign players too.

India plays FC cricket in state assiciation based tornament and zonal tournaments too which are made up teams from every zones! Is that not domestic cricket?

This is domestic cricket as this is your first class system.

IPL does not mirror this system nor the teams that play in it, which makes it non-domestic and purely a monetry tournament.

All other T20's mirror the first class system in their respective countries. You domestic T20 tournament would be the same teams that play in the Ranji I believe.

Fake domestic tem? Oh well. What is that?

Chandan wrote:Fake domestic tem? Oh well. What is that?

Any IPL team.

Chandan wrote:Fake domestic tem? Oh well. What is that?

Look at the post above Chandan, it should explain it to you.

holcs wrote:

Chandan wrote:Which question am I incapable of answering? Every other country might have one model. India is a vast country and doesn't have time for every state associations T20 system. And Franchise system sytem are new one to give T20 system a cash boost as well as introduce foreign players too.

India plays FC cricket in state assiciation based tornament and zonal tournaments too which are made up teams from every zones! Is that not domestic cricket?

This is domestic cricket as this is your first class system.

IPL does not mirror this system nor the teams that play in it, which makes it non-domestic and purely a monetry tournament.

All other T20's mirror the first class system in their respective countries. You domestic T20 tournament would be the same teams that play in the Ranji I believe.

Hols,

If there are high monetary rewards for a domestic tournament then it is not called domestic? Well. Everyday I'm learning new things from you people.

Why is not called a domestic team, may I know?

Chandan wrote:

holcs wrote:

Chandan wrote:Which question am I incapable of answering? Every other country might have one model. India is a vast country and doesn't have time for every state associations T20 system. And Franchise system sytem are new one to give T20 system a cash boost as well as introduce foreign players too.

India plays FC cricket in state assiciation based tornament and zonal tournaments too which are made up teams from every zones! Is that not domestic cricket?

This is domestic cricket as this is your first class system.

IPL does not mirror this system nor the teams that play in it, which makes it non-domestic and purely a monetry tournament.

All other T20's mirror the first class system in their respective countries. You domestic T20 tournament would be the same teams that play in the Ranji I believe.

Hols,

If there are high monetary rewards for a domestic tournament then it is not called domestic? Well. Everyday I'm learning new things from you people.

Why is not called a domestic team, may I know?

Chandan, we have both explained it to you.

taipan wrote:

Chandan wrote:Fake domestic tem? Oh well. What is that?

Any IPL team.

Without a reason? Then every county team is fake too , in SA as well in England if it is only without a reason that is.

Chandan wrote:

holcs wrote:

Chandan wrote:Which question am I incapable of answering? Every other country might have one model. India is a vast country and doesn't have time for every state associations T20 system. And Franchise system sytem are new one to give T20 system a cash boost as well as introduce foreign players too.

India plays FC cricket in state assiciation based tornament and zonal tournaments too which are made up teams from every zones! Is that not domestic cricket?

This is domestic cricket as this is your first class system.

IPL does not mirror this system nor the teams that play in it, which makes it non-domestic and purely a monetry tournament.

All other T20's mirror the first class system in their respective countries. You domestic T20 tournament would be the same teams that play in the Ranji I believe.

Hols,

If there are high monetary rewards for a domestic tournament then it is not called domestic? Well. Everyday I'm learning new things from you people.

Why is not called a domestic team, may I know?

Chandan.

It is not Domestic as it does NOT FOLLOW YOUR OWN DOMESTIC FIRST CLASS STRUCTURE!

Your first class structure I am led to believ is the Ranji Trophy set-up. Therefore an Indian domestic T20 tournament would be one which involved the Ranji Trophy sides and those players that play in those sides.



The IPL on the otherhand is a made up tournament of purchased franchises, which was put together in for the sole purpose of making money. As it does not follow your own first class domestic structure, it is not a domestic competition, but a fabricated situation.

Chandan wrote:

taipan wrote:

Chandan wrote:Fake domestic tem? Oh well. What is that?

Any IPL team.

Without a reason? Then every county team is fake too , in SA as well in England if it is only without a reason that is.

Are you being deliberately obtuse.

What part of t20 teams being the same as FC teams did you fail to comprehend?

Chandan, we have both explained it to you.

No you have not. 7 Indian players from Indian state associations play in every IPL team. If just 10 players plying in English county which earlier was just 9 players per team can be domestic a team why can't IPL?

And your saying anything anyone will not make a difference because IPL is India's domestic tournament and has its status as that too.

taipan wrote:

Chandan wrote:

taipan wrote:

Chandan wrote:Fake domestic tem? Oh well. What is that?

Any IPL team.

Without a reason? Then every county team is fake too , in SA as well in England if it is only without a reason that is.

Are you being deliberately obtuse.

What part of t20 teams being the same as FC teams did you fail to comprehend?

And if Deodhar trophy teams are different to Duleep trophy teams, they are not cricket either? Didn't hear anyone object to it before!

Do you drink a lot?

Chandan, I shall post it one last time for you:

Chandan.

It is not Domestic as it does NOT FOLLOW YOUR OWN DOMESTIC FIRST CLASS STRUCTURE!

Your first class structure I am led to believ is the Ranji Trophy set-up. Therefore an Indian domestic T20 tournament would be one which involved the Ranji Trophy sides and those players that play in those sides.



The IPL on the otherhand is a made up tournament of purchased franchises, which was put together in for the sole purpose of making money. As it does not follow your own first class domestic structure, it is not a domestic competition, but a fabricated situation.

holcs wrote:
Chandan.

It is not Domestic as it does NOT FOLLOW YOUR OWN DOMESTIC FIRST CLASS STRUCTURE!

Your first class structure I am led to believ is the Ranji Trophy set-up. Therefore an Indian domestic T20 tournament would be one which involved the Ranji Trophy sides and those players that play in those sides.



The IPL on the otherhand is a made up tournament of purchased franchises, which was put together in for the sole purpose of making money. As it does not follow your own first class domestic structure, it is not a domestic competition, but a fabricated situation.

Our domestic structure is on the basis of zones too.

A one day tournament called Challengers trophy between 45 best available players in India in three teams are also domestic cricket DESPITE NOT FOLLOWING ANY OF OUR FC STRUCTURE.

Didn't hear anyone object to that as well!

Chandan wrote:

holcs wrote:
Chandan.

It is not Domestic as it does NOT FOLLOW YOUR OWN DOMESTIC FIRST CLASS STRUCTURE!

Your first class structure I am led to believ is the Ranji Trophy set-up. Therefore an Indian domestic T20 tournament would be one which involved the Ranji Trophy sides and those players that play in those sides.



The IPL on the otherhand is a made up tournament of purchased franchises, which was put together in for the sole purpose of making money. As it does not follow your own first class domestic structure, it is not a domestic competition, but a fabricated situation.

Our domestic structure is on the basis of zones too.

A one day tournament called Challengers trophy between 45 best available players in India in three teams are also domestic cricket DESPITE NOT FOLLOWING ANY OF OUR FC STRUCTURE.

Didn't hear anyone object to that as well!

Because there are no bloody foreigners in it.

Challenger is the best 45 players from your DOMESTIC STRUCTURE which compete to play for India. It is still based on performances in your domestic structure and the teams are made up of zonal amalgamations from state cricket, which are players that play in those regions for their state teams.

IPL is nothing of this sort has no relationship to anything Domestic, bar the fact it has a few Indians playing in each team. These players are not playing for their domestic sides/zones in most cases, nor does it have anything whatsoever to do with any of the sides which make up any layer anywhere in your Domestic structure = NON Domestic competition!

holcs wrote:Chandan, I shall post it one last time for you:

Chandan.

It is not Domestic as it does NOT FOLLOW YOUR OWN DOMESTIC FIRST CLASS STRUCTURE!

It is our domestic T20 tournament as is Challenger trophy the domestic one day tournament even though both do not follow any domestic FC structure .

Your first class structure I am led to believ is the Ranji Trophy set-up. Therefore an Indian domestic T20 tournament would be one which involved the Ranji Trophy sides and those players that play in those sides.

We have FC structure in Ranji as well as Duleep trophy set up. We have Raji one dayers as well as zonal one dayers. But we have Challenger trophy too which is televised live every year and India best players represent it in three teams. Piyush Chawla was noticed in that first when he scalped Tendulkar. Every year it is played in ffont of full stadium and makes lots of money for BCCI.

The IPL on the otherhand is a made up tournament of purchased franchises, which was put together in for the sole purpose of making money. As it does not follow your own first class domestic structure, it is not a domestic competition, but a fabricated situation.

Like challengers are represented in three teams, IPL is represented in 8 teams sponsored/owned by different companies. But all 8 teams are under BCCI umbraella. And every tournament which is played under BCCI's umbrella is Indian domestic cricket. I hope it makes it clear now that a tournament can't be rejected as a domestic tournament if it makes money, be it T20 or one day!

taipan wrote:

holcs wrote:Taips don't even go there.

Its a futile effort to ever explain the rationale behind the fact that it is inconcievably wrong that an overseas pro is not able to represent their own state in this tournament.

It is becoming like banging your head against an increasingly thicker wall.

Why do you think I backed out of it!
There is absolutely no point whatsoever in trying to disseminate the Indian cricket structure in its present form, nor is there any mileage in explaining it to their die-hard supporters - as the system is reconstructed in whatever form it suits the BCCI in order to tailor fit the franchises which cough up the most amount of money.

Chandan - my initial outburst was against the patronising platitudes inferring that the BCCI effectively go out of their way to help the poorer cricketing nations ... blah blah blah ...
Like I said - it's only done FOR A PRICE.
And that price is to secure their votes at the ICC table.
Nothing more - nothing less.
In my book - that's bribery .... NOT the profiligated rubbish of "helping poor little Pakistan and Bangladesh" !!

That's it. I'll leave the continuing discussion in the able hands of Chas and Dave ...ooops ... taips.

taipan wrote:

Chandan wrote:

holcs wrote:
Chandan.

It is not Domestic as it does NOT FOLLOW YOUR OWN DOMESTIC FIRST CLASS STRUCTURE!

Your first class structure I am led to believ is the Ranji Trophy set-up. Therefore an Indian domestic T20 tournament would be one which involved the Ranji Trophy sides and those players that play in those sides.



The IPL on the otherhand is a made up tournament of purchased franchises, which was put together in for the sole purpose of making money. As it does not follow your own first class domestic structure, it is not a domestic competition, but a fabricated situation.

Our domestic structure is on the basis of zones too.

A one day tournament called Challengers trophy between 45 best available players in India in three teams are also domestic cricket DESPITE NOT FOLLOWING ANY OF OUR FC STRUCTURE.

Didn't hear anyone object to that as well!

Because there are no bloody foreigners in it.

And why are county cricket domestic cricket despite having bloody foreigners in it?