Re: West Indies v England, 4th Test, Bridgetown - Feb 26-Mar 2

by LeFromage Sat 28 Feb 2009, 19:34

Said it before, say it again: this referral system is the biggest pile of crap since crap began.

Just leave it to the umpire. He'll get a few calls wrong, but that's life - at least we won't have the farce of every batsman who gets given out LBW automatically challenging it, and replays suggesting that some decisions are wrong but not "wrong enough" to overturn.

It all seems so cheap. It's not cricket.

by kkf Sat 28 Feb 2009, 19:36

Eric Air Emu wrote:Fair punishment for cynical Windian pitch doctoring I say.

There is no pitch doctoring. ARG is always flat. Kensington has been getting flatter year by year. All our wickets has fallen by the lbw route. The first 3 were touch and go at best. Chanderpaul's was just horrible.

by WIFAN Sat 28 Feb 2009, 19:39

kkf wrote:
Eric Air Emu wrote:Fair punishment for cynical Windian pitch doctoring I say.

There is no pitch doctoring. ARG is always flat. Kensington has been getting flatter year by year. All our wickets has fallen by the lbw route. The first 3 were touch and go at best. Chanderpaul's was just horrible.

Well said. I am just absolutely seething.

by LeFromage Sat 28 Feb 2009, 19:43

That over was bage.

by Eric Air Emu Sat 28 Feb 2009, 19:47

Well I think it's a wider issue- pitches like this are as big a threat to test cricket as anything. Granted there's similar pitches all round the world from Lords to Adelaide but five days of massaging of batting averages is obscene.

For the record I resent the Windies racking up the runs as much as seeing the likes of Bopara and Ambrose cashing in. It's all so bloody meangingless.

by kkf Sat 28 Feb 2009, 19:50

Demelza wrote:
WIFAN wrote:That us the sort of decision that should earn Harper his pension. Awful, outrageous decision that could literally win England the match.
They should be brought to account and publicly explain the logic in their decision.

Its also second time he has got it unequivocally wrong this series. He also gave Powell out caught behind when a blind person could see he didn't touch the ball in the 1st test. Harper should be made to retire after this match.

by Eric Air Emu Sat 28 Feb 2009, 19:51

Dello wrote:Said it before, say it again: this referral system is the biggest pile of crap since crap began.

Just leave it to the umpire. He'll get a few calls wrong, but that's life - at least we won't have the farce of every batsman who gets given out LBW automatically challenging it, and replays suggesting that some decisions are wrong but not "wrong enough" to overturn.

It all seems so cheap. It's not cricket.

Makes both umpires and tv replays look inadequate at the same time. And it's all so random.

by Eric Air Emu Sat 28 Feb 2009, 19:53

Demelza wrote:
WIFAN wrote:That us the sort of decision that should earn Harper his pension. Awful, outrageous decision that could literally win England the match.
They should be brought to account and publicly explain the logic in their decision.

Oh get over it. Chanderpaul should accept it's a good idea to play balls that are close-ish to his stumps with his bat.

by LeFromage Sat 28 Feb 2009, 19:55

Eric Air Emu wrote:
Dello wrote:Said it before, say it again: this referral system is the biggest pile of crap since crap began.

Just leave it to the umpire. He'll get a few calls wrong, but that's life - at least we won't have the farce of every batsman who gets given out LBW automatically challenging it, and replays suggesting that some decisions are wrong but not "wrong enough" to overturn.

It all seems so cheap. It's not cricket.

Makes both umpires and tv replays look inadequate at the same time. And it's all so random.

And it makes me feel inadequate for watching it.

How can I justify my love of cricket to my friends when it's degenerated to this? Just makes me look like a freak. And probably a pervert too. With intimacy issues. And a big, long car.

by LeFromage Sat 28 Feb 2009, 19:56

Eric Air Emu wrote:
Demelza wrote:
WIFAN wrote:That us the sort of decision that should earn Harper his pension. Awful, outrageous decision that could literally win England the match.
They should be brought to account and publicly explain the logic in their decision.

Oh get over it. Chanderpaul should accept it's a good idea to play balls that are close-ish to his stumps with his bat.

Your batting clinic back in session?

Can't you just be content with ruining Ace?

by Guest Sat 28 Feb 2009, 19:58

Eric Air Emu wrote:
Demelza wrote:
WIFAN wrote:That us the sort of decision that should earn Harper his pension. Awful, outrageous decision that could literally win England the match.
They should be brought to account and publicly explain the logic in their decision.

Oh get over it. Chanderpaul should accept it's a good idea to play balls that are close-ish to his stumps with his bat.

When the evidence presented to the third umpire is clear to any fool, yes even me, that the ball was going to clear the stumps, I would like to hear his explanation for why he still gave it out.

by Eric Air Emu Sat 28 Feb 2009, 20:00

Dello wrote:
Eric Air Emu wrote:
Demelza wrote:
WIFAN wrote:That us the sort of decision that should earn Harper his pension. Awful, outrageous decision that could literally win England the match.
They should be brought to account and publicly explain the logic in their decision.

Oh get over it. Chanderpaul should accept it's a good idea to play balls that are close-ish to his stumps with his bat.

Your batting clinic back in session?

Can't you just be content with ruining Ace?

His 47 balls of studied defence very much set-up the England's total you'll find.

by Eric Air Emu Sat 28 Feb 2009, 20:05

Demelza wrote:
Eric Air Emu wrote:
Demelza wrote:
WIFAN wrote:That us the sort of decision that should earn Harper his pension. Awful, outrageous decision that could literally win England the match.
They should be brought to account and publicly explain the logic in their decision.

Oh get over it. Chanderpaul should accept it's a good idea to play balls that are close-ish to his stumps with his bat.
When the evidence presented to the third umpire is clear to any fool, yes even me, that the ball was going to clear the stumps, I would like to hear his explanation for why he still gave it out.

Easy to say watching on telly- stand out there for 3 hot days with the players appealing at every opportunity and have to make a split second judgement which may or may not be overturned by Mr 3rd umpire. On top of this he gets paid tiny amounts compared to the players, spends a whole lot of his life living in hotel rooms and gets little or no praise when he does his job well (which he probably does most of the time). Picking on the umpire is just poor sport.

by WIFAN Sat 28 Feb 2009, 20:09

Eric Air Emu wrote:
Demelza wrote:
Eric Air Emu wrote:
Demelza wrote:
WIFAN wrote:That us the sort of decision that should earn Harper his pension. Awful, outrageous decision that could literally win England the match.
They should be brought to account and publicly explain the logic in their decision.

Oh get over it. Chanderpaul should accept it's a good idea to play balls that are close-ish to his stumps with his bat.
When the evidence presented to the third umpire is clear to any fool, yes even me, that the ball was going to clear the stumps, I would like to hear his explanation for why he still gave it out.

Easy to say watching on telly- stand out there for 3 hot days with the players appealing at every opportunity and have to make a split second judgement which may or may not be overturned by Mr 3rd umpire. On top of this he gets paid tiny amounts compared to the players, spends a whole lot of his life living in hotel rooms and gets little or no praise when he does his job well (which he probably does most of the time). Picking on the umpire is just poor sport.

Harper has just made a decision that could well cost us the game when the World's premier batsman over the last 2 years is sawn off when even fans of the opposition are disgusted with it and tempted to turn off their tv sets. Ideally, one of the sides will win playing fantastic cricket and no mistakes by the officials that alter the course of the match will be made. That has been nowhere near the case here.

by kkf Sat 28 Feb 2009, 20:13

Eric Air Emu wrote:
Demelza wrote:
Eric Air Emu wrote:
Demelza wrote:
WIFAN wrote:That us the sort of decision that should earn Harper his pension. Awful, outrageous decision that could literally win England the match.
They should be brought to account and publicly explain the logic in their decision.

Oh get over it. Chanderpaul should accept it's a good idea to play balls that are close-ish to his stumps with his bat.
When the evidence presented to the third umpire is clear to any fool, yes even me, that the ball was going to clear the stumps, I would like to hear his explanation for why he still gave it out.

Easy to say watching on telly- stand out there for 3 hot days with the players appealing at every opportunity and have to make a split second judgement which may or may not be overturned by Mr 3rd umpire. On top of this he gets paid tiny amounts compared to the players, spends a whole lot of his life living in hotel rooms and gets little or no praise when he does his job well (which he probably does most of the time). Picking on the umpire is just poor sport.

Its not the on field umpire we are talking about(although Tiffin has always been poor when I've seen him) It's the third umpire who has time and a freaking tv screen and still can't tell when a ball is going over the stumps when everyone else can.

by WIFAN Sat 28 Feb 2009, 20:16

If this is given out I will go farkin mental!!!!!!!

by WIFAN Sat 28 Feb 2009, 20:19

Wow well farkin done Harper!!! Give that man a medal.

by Eric Air Emu Sat 28 Feb 2009, 20:20

WIFAN wrote:
Eric Air Emu wrote:
Demelza wrote:
Eric Air Emu wrote:
Demelza wrote:
WIFAN wrote:That us the sort of decision that should earn Harper his pension. Awful, outrageous decision that could literally win England the match.
They should be brought to account and publicly explain the logic in their decision.

Oh get over it. Chanderpaul should accept it's a good idea to play balls that are close-ish to his stumps with his bat.
When the evidence presented to the third umpire is clear to any fool, yes even me, that the ball was going to clear the stumps, I would like to hear his explanation for why he still gave it out.

Easy to say watching on telly- stand out there for 3 hot days with the players appealing at every opportunity and have to make a split second judgement which may or may not be overturned by Mr 3rd umpire. On top of this he gets paid tiny amounts compared to the players, spends a whole lot of his life living in hotel rooms and gets little or no praise when he does his job well (which he probably does most of the time). Picking on the umpire is just poor sport.

Harper has just made a decision that could well cost us the game when the World's premier batsman over the last 2 years is sawn off when even fans of the opposition are disgusted with it and tempted to turn off their tv sets. Ideally, one of the sides will win playing fantastic cricket and no mistakes by the officials that alter the course of the match will be made. That has been nowhere near the case here.

Harper in injecting a bit of life into an absolute corpse of a test match shock.

by Eric Air Emu Sat 28 Feb 2009, 20:22

kkf wrote:
Eric Air Emu wrote:
Demelza wrote:
Eric Air Emu wrote:
Demelza wrote:
WIFAN wrote:That us the sort of decision that should earn Harper his pension. Awful, outrageous decision that could literally win England the match.
They should be brought to account and publicly explain the logic in their decision.

Oh get over it. Chanderpaul should accept it's a good idea to play balls that are close-ish to his stumps with his bat.
When the evidence presented to the third umpire is clear to any fool, yes even me, that the ball was going to clear the stumps, I would like to hear his explanation for why he still gave it out.

Easy to say watching on telly- stand out there for 3 hot days with the players appealing at every opportunity and have to make a split second judgement which may or may not be overturned by Mr 3rd umpire. On top of this he gets paid tiny amounts compared to the players, spends a whole lot of his life living in hotel rooms and gets little or no praise when he does his job well (which he probably does most of the time). Picking on the umpire is just poor sport.

Its not the on field umpire we are talking about(although Tiffin has always been poor when I've seen him) It's the third umpire who has time and a freaking tv screen and still can't tell when a ball is going over the stumps when everyone else can.

Being sky dis-enfranchised I don't actually get to watch any of this guff .

by Chivalry Augustus Sat 28 Feb 2009, 20:31

Brendan Nash lbw Harper 33

by kkf Sat 28 Feb 2009, 20:39

I am at a lost for words right now.

Harper needs to go. You can't be this bad as a television umpire.

by Guest Sat 28 Feb 2009, 20:42

This is what they're saying about Harper on CaribbeanCricket.com . . .

http://caribbeancricket.com/topic/912855

by kkf Sat 28 Feb 2009, 20:46

Demelza wrote:This is what they're saying about Harper on CaribbeanCricket.com . . .

http://caribbeancricket.com/topic/912855

All 5 are questionable. The last 2 were inexcusable. I'm glad Dyson is going to see the match referee about this.

by skully Sat 28 Feb 2009, 21:19

Man, how good is Ronnie Sarwan going at the moment? 3 tons in 4 innings.

England still well in front but WI battling grimly for a draw.

by skully Sat 28 Feb 2009, 21:21

Lordy, 5 lbws!! And given the comments above, 5 dusty ones!! Cool

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