Re: ICC World Twenty20, 2009 - Group B

by jim rich Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:20 pm

Brass Monkey wrote:What?

It's :

SA
Eng
Ind
WI

NL
Ire
NZ
SL

Here's what I have:
A1 - B2 - C1 - D2
B1 - A2 - C2 - D1
Also make room for this:

(replace NL with PAK, should Pakistan win today by the required margin and make allowance for some 1/2 assumptions, in which case replace SL with WI and vice versa, also NZ with SA and vice versa.However, if the Clogs beat PAK outright, you might have to replace ENG with the Clogs)

by Merlin Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:24 pm

jim rich wrote:
Merlin wrote:I have a brace of Grandstand tickets for Sunday 14th ... Oireland vs Lanka and Modi's XI vs the Clogs.

Can't give them away so will take them along this afternoon to the ticket office at Lord's in the hope that a fanatical Indian might cough up the ante.
So lets see, merls,
A-1) Modi's XI, 2) Oireland
B-1) England 2) Clogs/Paksters
C-1) ~~Lankans 2) Calypsos~~ 1.Calypso's 2. Lankans
D-1) Saffies 2) Kiwis

right?

That makes it:
1. SA vs IRE 2. NL vs NZ 3. ENG vs WI 4. IND vs SL 5. SL vs NZ 6. SA vs ENG 7. IRE vs WI 8. IND vs NL 9. ENG vs IRE 10. NL vs SL 11. SA vs WI 12. IND vs NZ (replace NL with PAK, should Pakistan win today by the required margin and make allowance for some 1/2 assumptions, in which case replace SL with WI and vice versa, also NZ with SA and vice versa.However, if the Clogs beat PAK outright, you might have to replace ENG with the Clogs)
You could also replace the country codes with the nicknames above.
E&OE

Super 8 groupings are - according to the DT this morning ...
Group E ... A1 ; B2 ; C1 ; D2.
Group F ... A2 ; B1 ; C2 ; D1.

Sunday 14th June - games , AGAIN according to the press are :

A2 (Oireland) versus C2 (Lankans)
and
A1 (Modi XI) versus B2 ( Cloggies)

Hope that makes sense.

by Merlin Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:28 pm

Jim,
Cloggs cannot usurp England unless they flog the Pakistanis senseless.
WIndies have far too superior run rate than the Lankans - unless the Lankan thrash them outta sight.

Today will see whether the Saffies maintain top spot in group D ... beating the Kiwis will ensure it.

So cannot understand how you mish-mashed my prediction for the Sunday layout !

by JKLever Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:29 pm

Pak win toss and bat, now watch them go mental....

by buckSH Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:49 pm

After initial reversals, Pakistan might just go on to win the World Cup.

by JKLever Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:54 pm

The dustcart strikes

by The One Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:01 pm

the positions in the group stages dont matter. the seeding remains the same. india will remain A1 even if they lose to ireland and so forth

by PlanetPakistan Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:23 pm

Horrible batting from Shoaib Malik

96-2 after 12.2

by JKLever Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:37 pm

Pak need at least 40 off this last 4...

by JKLever Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:58 pm

Dutchies will need 151 to go through

by jim rich Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:10 am

Super 8 groupings are - according to the DT this morning ...
Group E ... A1 ; B2 ; C1 ; D2.
Group F ... A2 ; B1 ; C2 ; D1.

Isn't that what I said?

Cloggs cannot usurp England unless they flog the Pakistanis senseless

Was just teasing you, merls.

A2 (Oireland) versus C2 (Lankans)

Hmmm. Guess you overlooked the last paragraph.

You guys are like vultures. bounce

by JKLever Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:01 am

All over for de Cloggies.

by Allan D Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:05 am

Records to watch out for - Lowest total v.Pakistan in a T20 - 92 by Kenya at Nairobi in 2007.

Lowest total by Netherlands in a T20 - 97 v. Canada at Belfast last August.

by doremi Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:07 am

Stupid Dutch, they didn't have to fly, just get to 151.

by Makaveli Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:11 am

Athers and Bumble should get the sack, so much for their 'expert' views before the match where they said Pak were destined to lose because they looked 'rusty' and the Dutch were so amazing. I'm embarrassed that the fee i pay to Sky goes towards these idiots wages.

by Makaveli Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:14 am

Infact the only bareable commentator these days is Ian Bishop, best to use the mute button from now on.

by The One Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:18 am

if i understand correctly the groups are

india
england
windies
south africa

ireland
pakistan
lanka
new zealand

irrespective of the nrr

the first group easily the more difficult. india, windies and saffrica all have good chances of going all the way

by Henry Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:19 am

England are f*cked. I just can't see us beating either India or South Africa.

by doremi Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:22 am

or West Indies TBH. But it's Tbloody20, so all of the above can happen.

by Allan D Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:23 am

There also seems to be a dispute over Afridi's bowling analysis, Sky is giving him 4-11 whilst Cricinfo is giving him 4-10. In any event his analysis is the 4th best overall in T20 internationals and second best for Pakistan (Umer Gul took 4-8 against Australia at Dubai last month) and is the best for any bowler in a T20 international held in the UK beating Baidwan's 4-19 for Canada also against The Netherlands in the match at Belfast referred to above.

by Allan D Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:30 am

MoM choices seem to be eccentric in this tournament, to say the least. England are in the group of death this time, if they get past the Saffies, India & Chris Gayle they'll be lucky.

by JKLever Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:47 am

Makaveli wrote:Athers and Bumble should get the sack, so much for their 'expert' views before the match where they said Pak were destined to lose because they looked 'rusty' and the Dutch were so amazing. I'm embarrassed that the fee i pay to Sky goes towards these idiots wages.

it's only their opinion, they don't have a crystal ball. I thought the dutch would pull off the surprise too

by JKLever Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:49 am

doremi wrote:or West Indies TBH. But it's Tbloody20, so all of the above can happen.

We can beat any of SA,Ind or WI over 20 overs playing at home.

Anyone who says different has their head up their arse.

by Henry Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:56 am

Extremely unlikely though, Lever. India and South Africa's batting has a lot more firepower than England's.

by Allan D Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:04 am

JKLever wrote:
doremi wrote:or West Indies TBH. But it's Tbloody20, so all of the above can happen.

We can beat any of SA,Ind or WI over 20 overs playing at home.

Anyone who says different has their head up their arse.

"...and Britons never, never, never, never shall be slaves"

A true patriot as always, JK, and I salute you. aye-aye

and you may well be right.

Nobly, nobly Cape Saint Vincent to the North-west died away;
Sunset ran, one glorious blood-red, reeking into Cadiz Bay;
Bluish 'mid the burning water, full in face Trafalgar lay;
In the dimmest North-east distance dawned Gibraltar grand and gray;
"Here and here did England help me: how can I help England?''---say,
Whoso turns as I, this evening, turn to God to praise and pray,
While Jove's planet rises yonder, silent over Africa.

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