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Post by PearlJ Fri 10 Jul 2009, 19:22

What a gay session. Nevermind.

Maybe get past 600 (if we can) then declare. Hopefully the pitch might break up a bit for our demon spinner, but I doubt it.
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Post by beamer Fri 10 Jul 2009, 19:36

Eric Air Emu wrote:I'm a bit more worried by Flintoff and his 1 for 100 plus and career average of 32 plus- even though his figures are as beige as they come he never gets any stick.
32 is very good in this era. Take out his first few years when he was used as a negative stock bowler and he would look even better.

Also he gives control every time he bowls, he's the only bowler the captain can trust not to disappear all round the ground.

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Post by JKLever Fri 10 Jul 2009, 19:38

Jesus, i'm having to take my other half for therapy on a bad back this week and so i'm missing the afternoon & evening sessions.

Last 2 days have yielded about 360 for 2 in my absence..... FFS

I guess it's time to do a ...

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Post by PearlJ Fri 10 Jul 2009, 19:40

Henry wrote:Well, that should be it for the day. And with the forecast diabolical for tomorrow, you would have thought that Clarke and North might have got on with it a bit more this afternoon- Maybe Aus could have even declared 50 ahead and hard a dart at England this evening.



On to Lord's then........

You don't play on how the forecast is looking.
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Post by JKLever Fri 10 Jul 2009, 19:42

PearlJ wrote:
You don't play on how the forecast is looking.

might have been wise to do it at the Oval in 2005, but agreed - not with 4 tests to come.
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Post by filosofee Fri 10 Jul 2009, 21:17

At least this pitch confirms play beyond the 3rd day. Aggers described England's batsmen as 'champagne batters'; they'll have to apply themselves in the second innings, learning from how the Aussies did it.
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Post by Basil Fri 10 Jul 2009, 21:49

Not seem much of the game either live or highlights tbh. I will say, however, that a draw for Aus. (assuming that rain does for tomorrow) will seem like a win given all the hoopla about how England would bowl the them out twice with spin.

One of the spinners will have to go for Lords to be replaced by either Harmy or Siders - maybe both if Broad continues to disappoint.
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Post by LeFromage Fri 10 Jul 2009, 21:56

Tough on Onions, who is in the best bowler in the country at the moment and 12th man for this Test.
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Post by Basil Fri 10 Jul 2009, 22:03

Dello wrote:Tough on Onions, who is in the best bowler in the country at the moment and 12th man for this Test.

Oops! Forget about Tripeand:

So, it'll be Onions, Siders or harmy in that order then.
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Post by JKLever Fri 10 Jul 2009, 22:08

Broad will get a second chance. Different opposition granted, but he came back from a rank 1st test in the WI to have a decent series.

I actually think England would take a score of 0-0 with Cardiff & Lords out of the way.
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Post by LeFromage Fri 10 Jul 2009, 22:15

Weather's not supposed to be too clever for Lord's either, so a draw is a real possibility.

England must be shitting it, though, having seen how ordinary their weirdly over-hyped bowling actually is in the face of non-West Indian batsmen.

Don't think we'll see the two-spinner plan again this summer.
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Post by Basil Fri 10 Jul 2009, 22:21

Uneasy about going to Lords 0 - 0 - when did we last look like winning against the Aussies there - 1968 by my reckoning!
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Post by LeFromage Fri 10 Jul 2009, 22:24

The first two sessions of the 2005 Ashes.
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Post by beamer Fri 10 Jul 2009, 22:24

I don't know who was over-hyping the England bowling, certainly nobody on here. They've achieved nothing against decent opposition, or anyone at all away from home really. Anderson's the supposed leader of the attack and he is still frustratingly inconsistent, probably always will be and that's why he's a 35-average bowler instead of being in the top division of what is a weak crop of pacemen worldwide. Flintoff makes a difference but should be the man to throw the ball to when the captain needs to make something happen, not have to take the new ball and bowl long spells. Really as a bowling line-up the facts say we're little better than WI or NZ.

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Post by LeFromage Fri 10 Jul 2009, 22:26

No, it wasn't anyone on here - Merlin aside - it was all in the written press. Somehow England had gone from a team that couldn't take 20 wickets all winter to "the stronger of the two attacks".

Was bollocks then, and is bollocks now.
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Post by Zat Fri 10 Jul 2009, 22:34

PeterCS wrote:Something heroic about how [Fintoff] reacts when he GETS IM though ... a "heroic pose" - the pose of a gladiator.
The pose of a bloke who suspects he's going to wind up worse than one for a hundred so he'll milk the adulation when he gets one.

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Post by JKLever Fri 10 Jul 2009, 22:36

Dello wrote:
England must be shitting it, though, having seen how ordinary their weirdly over-hyped bowling actually is in the face of non-West Indian batsmen.

Agree, how Jimmy Anderson had suddenly become the best swing bowler in the world on the back of bowling out Lendl Simmons & Suleman Benn was weird!

Let's not over-react though. We all know our attack is impotent on flat decks, we saw that enough in the Windies.

This series still depends on the same things it did before it started. We will need the ball to swing to bowl out a class batting line up & we'll have to work bloody hard as a batting unit. We don't have the class of Australias batting so it will always pretty much come down to a team effort with the bat. Which is not impossible as Australias bowling is workmanlike and useful rather than great.
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Post by JKLever Fri 10 Jul 2009, 22:38

Dello wrote:No, it wasn't anyone on here - Merlin aside - it was all in the written press. Somehow England had gone from a team that couldn't take 20 wickets all winter to "the stronger of the two attacks".

Was bollocks then, and is bollocks now.

It was more the Sky team and Ian Chappell as well wasn't it!? Didn't see too much of it in the written media.
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Post by JKLever Fri 10 Jul 2009, 23:04

Odds...

Draw 1.28
Aus 4.8
Eng 95.00

The Draw was 1.06 at the start of the last day at Adelaide if I recall
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Post by skully Sat 11 Jul 2009, 00:29

Allan D wrote:Highest score to lose by an innings is 405 in this match:

Eng. v. Aus., The Oval, August 1930
Hehehe, noice. I like your thinking AD. Cool

Disappointing to wake up with only 20 runs added from the Tea score I went to bed at. Darn limey weather.

Pup looked in very good touch with hardly a false stroke, so I assume he got a good one from Broad to be removed. Ollie's effort is very pleasing and he looked untroubled in compiling his unbeaten 50, to carry on his excellent form from Worcester.

Hopefully he can continue and, with support from Haddit, Midge and Haurie, add another 150+.

And what was the deal with the English's cleaming white outfits? Made Stewie Broad look like a choir boy.
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Post by Red Sat 11 Jul 2009, 04:08

JKLever wrote:
Dello wrote:No, it wasn't anyone on here - Merlin aside - it was all in the written press. Somehow England had gone from a team that couldn't take 20 wickets all winter to "the stronger of the two attacks".

Was bollocks then, and is bollocks now.

It was more the Sky team and Ian Chappell as well wasn't it!? Didn't see too much of it in the written media.

I heard Chappelli say on the morning of the match he was tipping England because he usually favoured the team which had the stronger attack.
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Post by Red Sat 11 Jul 2009, 04:12

During the past two days the morning session has yielded 3/99 and the middle session involved an unbroken partnership with both captains appearing to let the game drift. Weird symmetry.
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Post by furriner Sat 11 Jul 2009, 05:36

Ok, my usual dead on prediction for tomorrow. Australia to be AO withing 50 runs, England to be a crafty 220/2. Clarke to be disembowelled by a team of rancid squirrels.
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Post by Red Sat 11 Jul 2009, 08:55

Clarke was just interviewed and he's super confident about Australia's chances of forcing victory if the weather is clement. He's hoping that the pitch cracks up a bit but said that the pitch is beautiful to bat on.
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Post by JKLever Sat 11 Jul 2009, 09:31

Red wrote:Clarke was just interviewed and he's super confident about Australia's chances of forcing victory if the weather is clement. He's hoping that the pitch cracks up a bit but said that the pitch is beautiful to bat on.

Well England should be batting the last day so of course he would.

Let's hope for this though...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/2160
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