Re: Jimmy Anderson is the best ever....

by G.Wood Tue 04 Aug 2009, 06:23

Bradman wrote:In fact apart from Warnie and all-rounders is there a bowler in the top fifty catchers?

Tubby Taylor.

Although early on in his career his batting was probably good enough to consider him an all rounder.

by G.Wood Tue 04 Aug 2009, 06:27

Trueman took 64 catches in 67 tests. At that sort of rate he must have fielded somewhere close to the bat. Else there was a shed load of happy hookers around at that time

by Bradman Tue 04 Aug 2009, 06:33

Well if he wasn't parked in close he'd be spewing he retired before Hilditch came along.

by taipan Tue 04 Aug 2009, 07:18

Bradman wrote:Well I'd narrow it down to first and second slip. Has there ever been any bowler to nail down one of those spots as his own apart from Warnie and Clem?

Brian MacMillan, and did anyone mention Kallis?

by G.Wood Tue 04 Aug 2009, 07:19

Bradman wrote:Well if he wasn't parked in close he'd be spewing he retired before Hilditch came along.

he was almost a bigger poo poo head as batsman as he is as a selector

by G.Wood Tue 04 Aug 2009, 07:20

taipan wrote:
Bradman wrote:Well I'd narrow it down to first and second slip. Has there ever been any bowler to nail down one of those spots as his own apart from Warnie and Clem?

Brian MacMillan, and did anyone mention Kallis?

meh all you saffies look alike

by taipan Tue 04 Aug 2009, 07:22

G.Wood wrote:
taipan wrote:
Bradman wrote:Well I'd narrow it down to first and second slip. Has there ever been any bowler to nail down one of those spots as his own apart from Warnie and Clem?

Brian MacMillan, and did anyone mention Kallis?

meh all you saffies look alike

Only if you look at the men.

by Bradman Tue 04 Aug 2009, 07:23

Kallis comes under the all-rounder bit in my post.

by horace Tue 04 Aug 2009, 07:59

anderson made a number of very basic errors in the field last night...think he had spat the dummy at not getting a bowl when he wanted one..
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btw...while some bag Punter, Strauss put in a very ordinairy effort last night...seems his tactical nous begins and ends with fat physios, claiming bouncing catches and use of the 12th man

by Guest Tue 04 Aug 2009, 08:05

G.Wood wrote:Trueman took 64 catches in 67 tests. At that sort of rate he must have fielded somewhere close to the bat.

Specialist leg-slip. Must have taken a lot of catches off Laker.

Emburey was very good - he was a slip, and took a miracle catch in the outfield in a World Series match in '87 as I recall.

by G.Wood Tue 04 Aug 2009, 08:09

Rob I wrote:
G.Wood wrote:Trueman took 64 catches in 67 tests. At that sort of rate he must have fielded somewhere close to the bat.

Specialist leg-slip. Must have taken a lot of catches off Laker.

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Ta RobI still a heap of catches for that position.

An unusual position for a fast bowler who reportedly took no s*** considering it is now typically the position the most junior batsman gets.

by taipan Tue 04 Aug 2009, 08:13

G.Wood wrote:
Rob I wrote:
G.Wood wrote:Trueman took 64 catches in 67 tests. At that sort of rate he must have fielded somewhere close to the bat.

Specialist leg-slip. Must have taken a lot of catches off Laker.

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Ta RobI still a heap of catches for that position.

An unusual position for a fast bowler who reportedly took no s*** considering it is now typically the position the most junior batsman gets.

Um, would that be short square leg?

by Guest Tue 04 Aug 2009, 08:15

Maybe the games was a bit different in those days and more chances came that way, hence it was more prestigious.

When asked if he ever patrolled the outfield, Fred replied "No! I was at leg-slip. I was a proper cricketer."

by Merlin Tue 04 Aug 2009, 08:19

horace wrote:anderson made a number of very basic errors in the field last night...think he had spat the dummy at not getting a bowl when he wanted one..
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btw...while some bag Punter, Strauss put in a very ordinairy effort last night...seems his tactical nous begins and ends with fat physios, claiming bouncing catches and use of the 12th man

...and allowing the boy ~~Mogli~~ Manou to take over from Haddin AFTER the teams were published.
Bas**ard Strauss. I mean wtf was he thinking?
As Ponting claimed, the spirit of cricket is dead afa Strauss is concerned, so sod them Johann ...
should have let the bugger play with a busted finger!

Isn't that right horrie?

by horace Tue 04 Aug 2009, 08:30

praised strauss at the time...it was a welcome change

by horace Tue 04 Aug 2009, 08:34

strauss was inept in organising his field and bowlers...bowled the chin for too long and Fred for that matter...jandy was underbowled...

no real attempt at pressure beyond some bizarre appeals, some wordy lip and jandy kicking the ball at the stumps (doubt if he'll get picked by Man U or C)

by Merlin Tue 04 Aug 2009, 09:26

Silly strausser ...

Maybe he ought to email you horrie ... you could possibly provide the dense mucker with some captaining tips and guides on spirit of cricket issues ...

by WideWally Tue 04 Aug 2009, 09:33

Regarding the question about the best ever "catching" fast bowler, the answer is .............

............ Jack Gregory

37 catches in 24 tests.

by Bradman Tue 04 Aug 2009, 09:38

Wouldn't a leg slip limit your options? You couldn't have two sweepers for the hook. Though from memory Bob Simpson used to employ it. Seems to have gone out of fashion.

64 from 67 is not too shabby.

by Bradman Tue 04 Aug 2009, 09:40

Jack Gregory.

All-rounder rule again.

by WideWally Tue 04 Aug 2009, 09:44

What's this about an "all-rounder rule"? I have never heard of it.

by Bradman Tue 04 Aug 2009, 09:53

I mentioned it earlier. I said excluding Warne and all-rounders.

Anyway Gregory was more of a batsman than a bowler.

Though on his day he was extremely destructive at both disciplines.

by WideWally Tue 04 Aug 2009, 10:05

The opening post asked who was the best fielder among fast bowlers. It didn't exclude all-rounders. Jack Gregory was the best fast bowler in the world around 1920 & with Ted McDonald formed one of the ATG pace bowling partnerships.

by Bradman Tue 04 Aug 2009, 10:19

Yeah I threw that in as a side bar, and it was a genuine question.

Gregory was (for his time) a better batsman than bowler. Though as above, on his day the bloke was lethal at both. And you're coming off a low bar with post WW1 stats.

by WideWally Tue 04 Aug 2009, 10:42

Part of Jack Gregory's Cricinfo Profile (written by Sir Neville Cardus)

Jack Morrison Gregory, of a famous Australian cricket family, had a comparatively brief Test match career, for although he played in twenty-four representative games, his skill and his power were as unpredictable as a thunderstorm or a nuclear explosion. He was known mainly as a fearsome right-arm fast bowler but, also, in Test matches he scored 1146 runs, averaging 36.96 with two centuries. He batted left-handed and gloveless.

As a fast bowler, people of today who never saw him will get a fair idea of his presence and method if they have seen Wes Hall, the West Indian. Gregory, a giant of superb physique, ran some twenty yards to release the ball with a high step at gallop, then, at the moment of delivery, a huge leap, a great wave of energy breaking at the crest, and a follow-through nearly to the batsman's doorstep.

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