Re: KP V Ponting

by Ash Fri 26 Oct 2007, 21:21

dont forget he's an allrounder. 57/32 is sobersesque

by doremi Fri 26 Oct 2007, 21:28

Kallis is a great for me. The only thing holding the Saffie batting order together, which is quite average in tests.

by Winkle Spinner Fri 26 Oct 2007, 21:33

Personally, I don't think KP will cash in against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe as much as some other batsmen of this era. Against lesser opposition, he's often seemed disintersted, perhaps because he thinks it's all a bit below him.

I refer you to his genuinely hilarious stumping agaisnt Dwayne Leverock in the world cup.

He seems more to care about the spectacle and the event than about his average, is what I'm trying to say.

by Basil Fri 26 Oct 2007, 21:38

Winkle Spinner wrote:
He seems more to care about the spectacle and the event than about his average, is what I'm trying to say.

Yep, KP will dig a team out of a hole when they're 20 -2 more times than he will do well when they're 200 -2

by Guest Fri 26 Oct 2007, 21:46

Imagine KP and Ponting in the same team. Bowling attack = pale

by Basil Fri 26 Oct 2007, 21:47

Aye, bowlers' nightmare.

by Merlin Fri 26 Oct 2007, 21:59

Sans Souci wrote:Imagine KP and Ponting in the same team. Bowling attack =

Not with Pratt at cover point and a safe keeper behind the sticks - respectively! Wink

by Basil Fri 26 Oct 2007, 22:01

Merlin wrote:
Sans Souci wrote:Imagine KP and Ponting in the same team. Bowling attack =

Not with Pratt at cover point and a safe keeper behind the sticks - respectively!

But if Brett Lee was bowling at them..........

by Merlin Fri 26 Oct 2007, 22:10

Basil wrote:
Merlin wrote:
Sans Souci wrote:Imagine KP and Ponting in the same team. Bowling attack =

Not with Pratt at cover point and a safe keeper behind the sticks - respectively!

But if Brett Lee was bowling at them..........

Hmmmm ...

about sums it up then !

by noelene Sat 27 Oct 2007, 06:31

Don't you mean if Harmison was bowling at them?

by tac Sat 27 Oct 2007, 06:41

noelene wrote:Don't you mean if Harmison was bowling at 2nd slip?

by Guest Sat 27 Oct 2007, 08:49

Ash wrote:despite all the apathy kallis gets i think he will be remembered as a great - his stats are too good for him not to.

Dunno about that. I always felt England were in control when he was batting. There was not the sense that the bastman was running away with it, as with Viv or Lara.

by taipan Sat 27 Oct 2007, 08:58

His runs and average make him one of the greats

by Brass Monkey Sat 27 Oct 2007, 11:28

PearlJ wrote:
Warne and McGrath were not at their peak either

And Ponting has dominated Murali on numerous occasions.

I wasn't detracting from Ponting's batting. I was detracting from the statement that sounded like Ponting only played great bowlers and dominated.

I've already said I think Ponting is better, I just also think that KP's immense start against all-comers shouldn't be underestimated.

by Shoeshine Sat 27 Oct 2007, 11:48

Rob I wrote:
Ash wrote:despite all the apathy kallis gets i think he will be remembered as a great - his stats are too good for him not to.

Dunno about that. I always felt England were in control when he was batting. There was not the sense that the bastman was running away with it, as with Viv or Lara.

But that shows the limitations of just looking at stats. Richards is definitely remembered as one of the greats, yet his average doesn't begin to come close to someone like Ponting or Kallis. Yet will those two be mentioned in the same awed tones as Sir Viv? I'm not so sure they will, you know - though it's really hard with current players to know for sure.

But my point is that stats only take you so far. Richards was far more than just a run scorer to all of us who remember him, he had an aura.

by Guest Sat 27 Oct 2007, 12:24

[quote="Shoeshine"][quote="Rob I"]

Ash wrote:But that shows the limitations of just looking at stats. Richards is definitely remembered as one of the greats, yet his average doesn't begin to come close to someone like Ponting or Kallis. Yet will those two be mentioned in the same awed tones as Sir Viv?

I don't think they will be.

I think historians will rate Ponting above Kallis the batsman, however.

by LeFromage Sat 27 Oct 2007, 17:42

On International Cricket Captain, Pietersen scored an unbeaten, chance-less 243 on a day five pitch that was turning backwards, to lead England home in an amazing chase-down of 513 against India in India.

That's genius right there. Let's put this debate to bed.

by HH_pink Sun 28 Oct 2007, 02:21

lardbucket wrote:I do. I also remember how crap Jaques Kallis looked at the start of his career.

And Steve Waugh looked out of his depth as a batsman, but a useful change bowler.

Kallis isn't crap now?

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