Re: All time SA team

by skully Sat 21 Nov 2009, 10:10

taipan wrote:Last team before banning

[snip]

Bacher, Lance, Trimborn and Traicos have to go

And my old man, to the day he died, reckoned Tiger Lance was the best cover field he ever saw.

by skully Sat 21 Nov 2009, 10:12

taipan wrote:
skully wrote:I was too young to remember the 69-70 tour but 66-67 and 69-70 used to send a shudder down my old man's spine every time it was mentioned.

Perhaps it was a blessing that I "got" the Great Game when the MCC toured Aus in 70-71. We were still sh!te but we improved pretty quickly after that.

Your surname is Lawry?

And that the SA tour was cancelled.

I have empathy for old Bill. Cool

I would've loved the 71-72 tour to proceed but I had just watched the (poltical) debacle of the 1971 Springbok Rugby tour, so it came as no surprise when the Boks cricket tour was canned.

by taipan Sat 21 Nov 2009, 10:14

skully wrote:
taipan wrote:Last team before banning

[snip]

Bacher, Lance, Trimborn and Traicos have to go
And my old man, to the day he died, reckoned Tiger Lance was the best cover field he ever saw.

Colin Bland??

You also stoned?

by Fred Nerk Sat 21 Nov 2009, 10:17

Still remember the '"what if?" article (written by Jack Fingleton as far as I recall) in Aus Cricket after the tour was cancelled:

'Last summer Barry Rchards scored over 1500 runs for SA. Imagine what may have happened with Graeme Pollock up the other end.'

by skully Sat 21 Nov 2009, 10:18

taipan wrote:
skully wrote:
taipan wrote:Last team before banning

[snip]

Bacher, Lance, Trimborn and Traicos have to go
And my old man, to the day he died, reckoned Tiger Lance was the best cover field he ever saw.

Colin Bland??

You also stoned?

Ah, yes. Guilty as charged. Defo Colin Bland. Mea Culpa.

by Fred Nerk Sat 21 Nov 2009, 10:28

Just looked up Herbert Ray 'Tiger' Lance. Handy all-rounder, fielding not mentioned.

Also not mentioned: He may have started the trend of sportsmen with crap first names calling themselves 'Tiger' instead.

by Bradman Sat 21 Nov 2009, 10:28

Fred Nerk wrote:Still remember the '"what if?" article (written by Jack Fingleton as far as I recall) in Aus Cricket after the tour was cancelled:

'Last summer Barry Rchards scored over 1500 runs for SA. Imagine what may have happened with Graeme Pollock up the other end.'

My favourite quote involving a Saffie was Ian Brayshaw's(ABC cricket commentator) musing on Barry R's triple ton against WA.

"I dropped him on 180 and consoled myself with the thought he couldn't score too many more."

by skully Sat 21 Nov 2009, 10:34

Isn't there a famous story about Rod Marsh taking a couple of quickish deliveries from Garth McKenzie that beat Richards' outside edge in the first over or so, and Marsh telling the slips that "this Richards bloke doesn't seem so special"? 356 runs later!! Shocked

by Fred Nerk Sat 21 Nov 2009, 10:38

Until Hayden made his 380 that 356 of Richards was the highest FC innings I had seen or heard live commentary of.

In the middle of Richards' innings Ian Chappell scored 129 in under three hours which was a fair lick in those days, but the WA crowd and players hardly acknowledged his century. He wrote that he buttonholed Dennis Lillee and Rod Marsh about it later, and was told 'the way the other bloke was batting we hardly noticed you were there at all'.

by Fred Nerk Sat 21 Nov 2009, 10:41

Obv Rod hadn't played in Sith Eff the summer before.

And Garth had....

by JGK Sat 21 Nov 2009, 12:40

taipan wrote:
JGK wrote:Did they end up publishing the AT teams for the other nations?

Anyone got a link?

New Zealand

Had never heard of Dempster

TAYPOC - Chris Cairns should have been in there ahead of Bond.

by JGK Sat 21 Nov 2009, 12:43

Fred Nerk wrote:Just looked up Herbert Ray 'Tiger' Lance. Handy all-rounder, fielding not mentioned.

Also not mentioned: He may have started the trend of sportsmen with crap first names calling themselves 'Tiger' instead.

Pataudi?

by PeterCS Sat 21 Nov 2009, 12:56

Colin Bland in the covers.

by PeterCS Sat 21 Nov 2009, 12:57

JGK wrote:
Fred Nerk wrote:Just looked up Herbert Ray 'Tiger' Lance. Handy all-rounder, fielding not mentioned.

Also not mentioned: He may have started the trend of sportsmen with crap first names calling themselves 'Tiger' instead.

Pataudi?

Aye, he was a silly Nawab before that.

by Guest Sat 21 Nov 2009, 13:07

I say:

B Richards
Sooky
Kirsten
G Pollock
Barlow (c)
Kallarse
Boucher (wk)
S Pollock
P Pollock
Tayfield
Donald

That's a lot of Pollocks....

by Red Sun 22 Nov 2009, 01:42

Rob I wrote:I say:

B Richards
Sooky
Kirsten
G Pollock
Barlow (c)
Kallarse
Boucher (wk)
S Pollock
P Pollock
Tayfield
Donald

That's a lot of Pollocks....

by skully Sun 22 Nov 2009, 02:21

Responding within someone else's quote is just so untidy and initially confusing. Cool

by Allan D Sun 22 Nov 2009, 09:57

Fred Nerk wrote:Just looked up Herbert Ray 'Tiger' Lance. Handy all-rounder, fielding not mentioned.

Also not mentioned: He may have started the trend of sportsmen with crap first names calling themselves 'Tiger' instead.

I think this guy preceded him by some way:

Ernest James 'Tiger' Smith

by ten years after Sun 22 Nov 2009, 10:06

Has to be Richards and Mitchell. Smith has the opportunity to be an all time great but has plenty of work to do yet.

Hope Lindsay doesn't end up as the keeper. Never in the field of cricket has one cricketer owed so much to one series.

Cameron and Waite are the two best keepers SAF have produced.

by Gary 111 Sun 22 Nov 2009, 12:20

I'd go for this side:

Richards
Smith (c)
Kirsten
G. Pollock
Kallis
Procter
Boucher (wk)
S. Pollock
Van Der Bijl
Tayfield
Donald

With a choice of Colin Bland, Jonty Rhodes and Herschelle Gibbs for 12th man...

So many all-rounders to choose from, in this team Kallis would rarely have to bowl - which would probably suit him just fine...

by Gary 111 Sun 22 Nov 2009, 13:08

Bruce Mitchell wouldn't make my side - A decent grafter but not All Time XI class - the 1930s had even flatter pitches and fewer fast bowlers than the last decade.

He played 10 Tests against Australia averaging less than 32 and never scoring a century.

Against England he was much more successful, 30 Tests - 7 Centuries at 54.64 but again I wouldn't judge the runs he made to be of the quality of someone like Kirsten who faced much finer fast bowlers.

In his first two series against England, first away and then at home, he averaged 31 and 51. These were the only two series that he faced a decent pace bowling attack - Larwood & Tate in the first series, Voce & Tate in the second.

After that his greater successes were always against weaker bowling attacks - in 1935 he averaged 70 against an attack without Larwood & Voce following the bodyline controversy.

In 1939 he averaged 58 against an even weaker attack - 6 of South Africa's batsmen averaged over 47 in the series. The dead pitches of this era resulted in the famous timeless test decider - 5 of England's batsmen in the series averaged more than 59.

Following that he made his runs against England's war-depleted attack. In 1947 he averaged 66 (although this series was equally batsmen friendly - 5 players in the series averaged more including Bill Edrich (110) and Denis Compton (94)). England's main pace bowler in that series was Edrich himself.

by PeterCS Mon 23 Nov 2009, 01:00

Allan D wrote:
Fred Nerk wrote:Just looked up Herbert Ray 'Tiger' Lance. Handy all-rounder, fielding not mentioned.

Also not mentioned: He may have started the trend of sportsmen with crap first names calling themselves 'Tiger' instead.

I think this guy preceded him by some way:

Ernest James 'Tiger' Smith

What about Mud 'Tiger' Feet?

by Basil Mon 23 Nov 2009, 01:39

If I wanted to pick a Saffie to play for my life, it would be Bunter.

by lardbucket Mon 23 Nov 2009, 08:48

Kirsten for me.

by taipan Mon 23 Nov 2009, 08:52

lardbucket wrote:Kirsten for me.

That was my thought as well

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