All time ODI team

I have hardly followed limited over cricket in the past five years. I must admit I had to think long and hard as to who won the last World Cup.

So I just wanted to know if there has been anyone in the past five years who has performed exceptionally and could conceivably make an all time team?

They would join the likes of Gilchrist, SRT, Lara,Viv, Dean Jones, Bevan, Kluesner, Wasim, Murali, Garner.

12th man. Rhodes.

Kallis? I think Dhoni should be there as well, maybe in place of Bevan.

Paul Keating wrote:

They would join the likes of Gilchrist, SRT, Lara,Viv, Dean Jones, Bevan, Kluesner, Wasim, Murali, Garner.

I'd drop the self centred SRT and open with Gilchrist and Cook * with Viv at 3.






*Grabs coat and legs it

It's hard to judge this because of the development in the game over the last 40 years. Rule changes, equipment changes and so on skew averages to the point of silliness.

That said, Garner and Viv are the only two guaranteed selections. You can make a case for just about every other position and not be worse off with any of half a dozen selections.

I must admit I had to think long and hard as to who won the last World Cup

Says it all really. I was trying to think the same last night when the kindergarten crew Nein calls a commentary team reminded me. When did they stop using two balls?

[quote="Bradman"]I must admit I had to think long and hard as to who won the last World Cup

Says it all really.  I was trying to think the same last night when the kindergarten crew Nein calls a commentary team reminded me.  When did they stop using two balls?[/quote]

when the Healyaphrodite started commentating?

Pidge surely?

Tendulkar
Gilchrist+
V.Richards
Kallis
de Villiers
Bevan
Klusener
Imran(c)
Wasim
Garner
Muralitharan

Bevan was good, but does he really belong in an all-time ODI team?

lardbucket wrote:Bevan was good, but does he really belong in an all-time ODI team?

I was thinking the same about Klusener. His performances in the 99 WC were off the scale but what was he like the rest of the time? Genuine question, not a criticism.

I see no one has nominated Boyks yet.

JGK wrote:It's hard to judge this because of the development in the game over the last 40 years.  Rule changes, equipment changes and so on skew averages to the point of silliness.

That said, Garner and Viv are the only two guaranteed selections.  You can make a case for just about every other position and not be worse off with any of half a dozen selections.

Sagacity City. On both counts.

And though I love these "fantasy selections" as much as most, there are all sorts of other variables, qualifications. We tend to assume we're picking each player in the peak of his career - but that can be short. Also there's the issue of controversy. If Murali were to be proposed - in the teeth of much opposition - it would have to be when his ODI form was at its best. Towards the end, he had the occasional purple day, but wasn't he often carted for few or no wickets?

Three other noms, FWTW. B Mac (the original question was about more recent stars), Jayasuriya, and - don't laugh - Colly. He captained a T20 world cup winning team, was a phenomenal fielder, but also raised a whole team's spirit, had a winning knack, etc. All of which would be useful in such a team of very diverse talents. If it were on fielding alone, there are various South Africans at least as nifty (Jonty, AB, Amla, going back to the pre-ODI era, Bland), but Colly would bring a cohesive positive force to the party of XI. In all honesty, couldn't bat him above 6, though. Even 7.

Okay - twas just a thought. A thought about what would constitute a virtually invincible XI.

I suppose Pidge - efficiently boringly accurate most of the time - would be a natural, as others have said. Viv of course. Clive Hubert God must be a shout. Walking stick, thistle heads, and all that. Could be overawed though.

Oh ... Mike Hendrick Going the other way from the OQ.

Yuvraj?? When in his shortish prime. Enough.

You simply cannot leave Dhoni out. His record is undeniable. He'd be the first name on the batting teamsheet. Simple as that.

You'd want someone more aggressive at 4.

Got to agree about Dhoni. He has to be there.

tricycle wrote:Got to agree about Dhoni. He has to be there.

Aye - to elaborate on his stats:

8192 runs in 250 ODIs, average 52.85, S/R 89.28.

OK, he has 64 NOs, but that's because he's gotten his team over the line so many times. He's had telling impacts in WC successes and other bullshit tournaments.

Quite frankly, he'd be first choice keeper - end of story.

People not picking him must solely be down to his contemptible attitude.

I created a thread a couple of years back suggesting Dhoni should be in an all time eleven.

Does he replace Gilly or they both play in the team?

Bevan definitely deserves to be in the team. His average dropped off towards the end but for most of his career his average was head and shoulders above everyone else. I have lost count of his rescue missions in important games.

Agree 100% on Bevan being an ATG in JAMODIs

JGK wrote:It's hard to judge this because of the development in the game over the last 40 years.  Rule changes, equipment changes and so on skew averages to the point of silliness.

That said, Garner and Viv are the only two guaranteed selections.  You can make a case for just about every other position and not be worse off with any of half a dozen selections.

Sage. Based on his numbers Amla was would have to be the first opener selected but I don't really believe he is >>>SRT. Simarly with ABdV and Kohli in the middle order.

Brass Monkey wrote:

tricycle wrote:Got to agree about Dhoni. He has to be there.

Aye - to elaborate on his stats:

8192 runs in 250 ODIs, average 52.85, S/R 89.28.

OK, he has 64 NOs, but that's because he's gotten his team over the line so many times. He's had telling impacts in WC successes and other bullshit tournaments.

Quite frankly, he'd be first choice keeper - end of story.

People not picking him must solely be down to his contemptible attitude.

It's between him and Gilly for the keeper position

You can play both ...I'd make Emma field as Gilly was shite without gloves

Without qualification of improved technology marking down more recent players, this is the best XI based on average (batting strike rate used if batting average close, bowling economy rate used if bowling average close) - Quals: min 50 batting innings, min 100 wkts.

Hash
SRT
Viv
ABdV
Emma
Bevo
Pollock
Wasim
DKL
Big Bird
Chuck

Paris averaged a remarkable 120 in 39 innings at no. 7. Paddles could've slotted in at 7 but Polly had a 3 point better batting average and only a 1 point worse bowling average (but take your pick). Bevo could've taken either 4th or 6th, but batted more times at 6. 007 & Mikey were only just shaded by DKL in average. If you disqualify Chuck then Warnie, Saqqy or Mendis becomes the spinner.

Imagine trying to make 300 against THAT bowling attack.

MoH wrote:

lardbucket wrote:Bevan was good, but does he really belong in an all-time ODI team?

I was thinking the same about Klusener. His performances in the 99 WC were off the scale but what was he like the rest of the time? Genuine question, not a criticism.

He was the standout finisher of his era. Sure, he might struggle to even get a game these days, but he averaged about 10 more than anyone else between 1996 and 2003.

Can't believe there is any argument about Bevan. Hussey was great as the team glue and a finisher but Bevo was legendary.

He has the best average at both 4 and 6 of any player with 50+ innings. The argument of "yeah, but what about not outs" completely vindicates his quality. He ruled the white ball bowlers.

The only argument I have against Bevan is Dhoni. Bevan clearly was a brilliant odi player, but Dhoni can even slog some aoart from the finishing off.

1. Bill Lawry
2. Geoffrey Boycott *
3. Mark Richardson
4. Chris Tavare'
5. Bruce Edgar
6. William Scotton
7. Brendon Kuruppu +
8. Bryce McGain
9. Ravi Rampaul
10. (Shanthakumaran) Sreesanth
11. Jade Dernbach