Re: UK politics thread

[Growler]

May survives the no confidence vote 200 to 117.

She's dead in the water, skulls.

It looks OK, but of those 317 MP's, about 150 or so are either ministers, committee members, or otherwise filling official government posts.

It's safe to assume that they voted in support of "The Boss" - if they weren't going to, they shouldn't be in post.

That leaves 170 not beholden to Mrs May for their position.

117 out of 170 voting No Confidence is *not* a vote of confidence, by any interpretation.

[taipan]

Growls, I have been watching this from a distance so probably don't understand all the nuances of what is going on and am not taking a stance either pro or anti Brexit.

But in my view May seems to be negotiating in good faith and putting the country's interests first. The rest, from Boris to Corbyn, appear to be pushing private agendas, and to hell with the country.

Is this correct?

[horace]

The Pomgolia pursued by Ugly Patel and Boris is pure Derek Pringle

[skully]

May survives the no confidence vote 200 to 117.

She's dead in the water, skulls.

It looks OK, but of those 317 MP's, about 150 or so are either ministers, committee members, or otherwise filling official government posts.

It's safe to assume that they voted in support of "The Boss" - if they weren't going to, they shouldn't be in post.

That leaves 170 not beholden to Mrs May for their position.

117 out of 170 voting No Confidence is *not* a vote of confidence, by any interpretation.

Cheers Growls.

[JGK]

But in my view May seems to be negotiating in good faith and putting the country's interests first. The rest, from Boris to Corbyn, appear to be pushing private agendas, and to hell with the country.

Is this correct?

That's how it looks to me by the way.

[Basil]

But in my view May seems to be negotiating in good faith and putting the country's interests first. The rest, from Boris to Corbyn, appear to be pushing private agendas, and to hell with the country.

Is this correct?

That's how it looks to me by the way.  

I think that's a fair summary.

[skully]

Politicians - what a pack of qunts.

[Growler]

Growls, I have been watching this from a distance so probably don't understand all the nuances of what is going on and am not taking a stance either pro or anti Brexit.

But in my view May seems to be negotiating in good faith and putting the country's interests first. The rest, from Boris to Corbyn, appear to be pushing private agendas, and to hell with the country.

Is this correct?

I have to agree with Mr K and Bas on that one taips. Considering that Mrs May is, deep down a Remainer - IMO she has acted with more honour than most of the others put together.

The thing that I've found most depressing is much of the language used, and I have to say more by Remain than Leave. Cameron himself once called UKIP a home for loonies, fruitcakes and closet racists. People then felt free to smear Nigel Farage, and anyone who agreed with him as fascists. It's ironic that Farage has recently quit UKIP. Why? Because the latest leader has appointed a real Fascist as an advisor. Stephen Yaxley-Lennon A.K.A Tommy Robinson. The man is dangerous, and it both saddens and disturbs me that his following seems to be growing. After years of dismissing anyone (however reasonable) who disagrees with orthodox wisdom as an extremist, the Left are now confronted with a genuine one.

I was talking to my son recently. He's in nanotechnology, and this year has got his PhD. He explained that he voted Remain because he was rightly concerned that leaving could be a threat to research funding for future students. Furthermore, the fact that Billy down the pub was beefing that his son couldn't get a modern apprenticeship wasn't really his concern. Naturally, Billy and his lad voted Leave. I quietly suggested that he imagine himself as Billy's son, and ask himself whether he'd give a monkeys about research funding for university students. He did have the grace to understand that people like Billy don't have some kind of character flaw.

In short, many leavers simply disagree with the remainers stance. They accept that there are benefits to membership, and understand them. They simply feel that the political side of membership is too high a price for the economic benefits. There are far more comments from remain supporters suggesting that leavers are a bit thick and backward.

A bit more understanding, empathy and dialogue from both sides would be a start IMHO.

[taipan]

There is not going to be any discussion.. It's all personal power grabs

[beamer]

What I don’t have any time for is those who are dismissive of “the economy”, as if the term only refers to fat cat, tax-dodging businessmen and a load of seemingly abstract stats we hear in the news.

While economic growth may not directly benefit everyone and tends to disproportionately benefit those at the very top, that’s a separate problem that won’t be solved by Brexit, or indeed Bremain/Bre-entry. The main issue is a lot more fundamental than that. The economy is what’s responsible for any of us having jobs, houses, food and fuel. A 10% economic crash means 10% of people will lose their jobs, and a not insignificant number of those will end up living on the streets. Anyone who says “f*ck the economy”, either directly or figuratively, is basically saying “f*ck the people”.

[Basil]

And the clusterf#ck continues: a delusional Prime Minister and an utterly clueless Leader of The Opposition. 

A muted performance from the Brexiters yesterday, apart from the oilslick that is Jacob Rees-Mogg.

[whitburn]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=539967379846555&set=a.261176547725

[whitburn]

THIS is the direction the snowflakes are taking the west, towards the sort of shit hole these scum bags come from.

[horace]

Interesting article in the Guardian about similarities between the 1930s and 2010s and the rise of "Strong men" type leaders in Russia, Brazil, USA, Japan etc.

The tensions between nation states and globalisation fuelled by the disaffected and disenfranchised and whipped up by nationalist patriot blamers like Trump are increasing. Few countries are able to resolve the contradictions of global capitalism. Most are powerless in an era dominated by being liberal policy settings.

At the same time carbon emissions continue unchecked, oceans are warming and according to the CSIRO are becoming more acidic placing more pressure on eco systems.

I can't think of a direr time in history.

Above all the challenges facing us I think humans have been a prisoner of their own success as a species. Simply put our success as a species has led to over population.

Simply put, there are too many of us.

If humans are to survive it is not simply about cutting emissions, curtailing the God of growth, it is about consciously reducing global population.

China had a go. But it's softening of the One Child Policy has let the World down.

My view is our only hope is to dramatically reduce population growth. I'm not suggesting draconian measures such as compulsory sterilisation but using the tax system to reward childless people and punish those insisting on breeding more than one child is warranted.

This is important not just in wealthy high consumption countries but also in populous areas such as India, China and South America.

It won't happen of course but there needs to be a concerted effort to take on all religions, especially those encouraging unlimited breeding.

[JGK]

"I can't think of a direr time in history."


1910 - 1920;  1933-1945,  bubonic plague; 

[skully]

horrie in "worried old man fugue state" exaggeration moment.

[horace]

"I can't think of a direr time in history."


1910 - 1920;  1933-1945,  bubonic plague; 

Heading that way. Hope I'm wrong.

[horace]

horrie in "worried old man fugue state" exaggeration moment.

I really wish I could subscribe to a skerrick of your optimistim. I have run dry.

[Bradman]

I think the over population problem may be fixed by Trump, wtf that guy in China is called and the Middle East.

Might be time to start googling for 1950s bomb shelter plans.

[Growler]

Ach, don't worry about China and the ME, Bradders - or Trump, come to that.

The good ole U.S of A still poking the bear, and won't be satisfied until they start a war. This shit started way before Trump, and he probably doesn't even know the half of it.

Go on Google maps, and find Okachiv.

When you've done that, tell me a single plausible reason for the US Naval Mobile Construction Battalion to be building a Maritime Operations Centre there.

[horace]

Geebers. Great Jo!

[Growler]

What's up, horrie?

[horace]

What's up, horrie?

Bloody crazy Ukies, Russkies and Trumps ideas.

[Basil]

R.I.P. Paddy Sandown, former leader of the Liberal Democrats. One of the good ones.

[PeterCS]

Entirely agreed.

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