Haddin is greater than Gilchrist

JGK wrote:Karti's argument seems to be Haddin batted under pressure, Gilly didn't therefore Haddin better.

Haddin batted after the worst Oz batting line up since WSC ...and Gilly batted after arguably the best top 6 unit ever ...so Haddin is better

a slight logic leap from Karti

Gilly was batting against better bowling.

Haddin looks better because of the greater flakiness above him.

You can turn all this several ways.


Youzrall taking Kart's logic-, apple-and orange-chopping article very seriously.

embee wrote:

JGK wrote:Karti's argument seems to be Haddin batted under pressure, Gilly didn't therefore Haddin better.

Haddin batted after the worst Oz batting line up since WSC ...and Gilly batted after arguably the best top 6 unit ever ...so Haddin is better  

a slight logic leap from Karti

That reasoning would make Bairstow the best keeper/batsman in history

He had a better series than Prior. He's the best English keeper bat since Stewart at least...

On the original premise, not the worst claim. Not like Kallis non all rounder claims. Some of the stats are a bit unnecessary though.

tricycle wrote:He had a better series than Prior. He's the best English keeper bat since Stewart at least...

He didnt

107 @ 17 vs 49@ 12

Clearly the second best keeper batsman since Stewart. England don't realise how lucky they've been.

tricycle wrote:Clearly the second best keeper batsman since Stewart. England don't realise how lucky they've been.

I will ask him to do a Karticle on this.

Brilliant! Has to include more stats. Score at start of his innings, bowlers faced, average, sr, hair colour, mensus cycles.

tricycle wrote:Brilliant! Has to include more stats. Score at start of his innings, bowlers faced, average, sr, hair colour, mensus cycles.

Presence of KP in dressing room

Likely that Selvey would lend a helping hand on the statistical handicaps of Pietersen's presence.

Noise level of Barmy Army

number of times Steve Finn knocks over the stumps

Mitchell Johnson's Mo length

Punchability of Ajay Jadeja's face.

^Although, that won't affect statistics too much as his default setting is maximum punchable

So let's see. Gilchrist came to the crease at:

Hobart 2001
5 for 126 chasing 369 for victory - Gilchrist scores 149 not out to win match

Mumbai 2001
5 for 99 in the first innings - Gilchrist scores a century in a session to set up win

Perth 2001
5 wickets down and a session to go - Gilchrist scores 83 not out to save match with three wickets in hand

Cape Town 2002
5 for 176 while still 60-odd runs behind - Gilchrist scores 138 not out to set up victory

Sydney 2003
5 for 150 still 213 runs behind - Gilchrist scores 133 to give Australia a slim first innings lead although Australia ultimately lose

Kandy 2004
1 for 11 in second innings still trailing by 80 - Captain Gilchrist promotes himself to Number 3, scoring 144 to set up victory

Darwin 2004
5 for 77 in second innings while leading by 187 - Gilchrist top scores with 80 to set up victory

Christchurch 2005
6 for 201 while still trailing by 230 - Gilchrist scores  121 to level first innings and pave way for victory

Sydney 2006
5 for 222 while still trailing by 239 runs - Gilchrist scores 86 to help keep Australia in game (a game Australia ultimately win due to a sporting declaration and a rampaging Ponting)

Fatullah 2006
4 for 61 still trailing Bangladesh by 370 runs - score collapses further to 6 for 93 - Gilchrist scores 144 to keep Australia in match. The next highest score in the innings is 26. Australia ultimately wins by three wickets.

These are just the greatest hits of Gilchrist in pressure situations. They don't include smaller efforts and also leave out the impact he had when it came to turning good team scores into dominant team scores.

I will pick Gilchrist every time.

tricycle wrote:^Although, that won't affect statistics too much as his default setting is maximum punchable

When is he less punchable?

Thanks Hass. I totally forgot an important part of his CV.

The series win in India.

Put him up there with AB's statue in every town square and comely wenches of dubious virtue.

Sydney 2003
5 for 150 still 213 runs behind - Gilchrist scores 133 to give Australia a slim first innings lead although Australia ultimately lose but more importantly gets a single off the second last ball on day 2 to enable Steve Waugh to hit the last ball for 4 and get his ton.

Addended.

Perth 2004 vs Pakistan

Counterattacking 69 off 78 balls coming in at 5/78 turned the match back Australia's way

Combined with Langers "double failure" . Kasper's michelle, Marto's first solo Test hundred and tgm's 8fa it allowed oz a huge victory

So it's agreed then? Karti IS a complete dick?

4 pages are needed to know that?

nobody appeared to be arguing otherwise. Lots of straw men

It was a rhetorical question, the answer to which was known in 2005.