Re: *The United States Presidential Election - Official Thread*

[Henry]

So you're saying that girls would be in tears if they couldn't get it on with a stunning piece of male artistry such as myself? Thanks!...........Now get away from me.

[mynah]

Hillary just conned her way to victory in NH.

Ideal for the job, then.

[JGK]

Does anyone know if Bill can be Secretary of State?

[taipan]

So you're saying that girls would be in tears if they couldn't get it on with a stunning piece of male artistry such as myself? Thanks!...........Now get away from me.

No, I said you can't get it up.

[Forum Goat]

Does anyone know if Bill can be Secretary of State?

Nope. Once a president, always a president. We address ex-presidents as presidents. They sometime take some goodwill positions after their terms though but generally don't involve themselves any more with administration.

[Lara Lara Laughs]

Wow. Totally unexpected result. I don't think even Hillary thought that this would happen.

Btw, does anyone know if Hillary is the first woman to run for President?

[eowyn]

Yes.

Dukacis (spelling probably horrendously wrong) had a woman running as his vice-presidential canditate when he lost.

[Forum Goat]

Btw, does anyone know if Hillary is the first woman to run for President?

Yes

[tac]

Btw, does anyone know if Hillary is the first woman to run for President?

Yes

So, is she ?

[Forum Goat]

Dukacis (spelling probably horrendously wrong) had a woman running as his vice-presidential canditate when he lost.

Correct spelling: Dukakis. But his running mate (1988) was Lloyd Bentson.

I think you're talking about Geraldine Ferraro who was running mate of Walter Mondale in 1984 election against Reagan and Bush Sr. ticket in 1984.

[Lara Lara Laughs]

Goat - are you American?

[Forum Goat]

Goat - are you American?

A naturalized one and an old fart too! -voting since 1984

[Allan D]

Btw, does anyone know if Hillary is the first woman to run for President?

Female candidates for US President go back to Victoria Woodhull in 1872 and Belva Ann Lockwood in 1884 & 1888 although there is some dispute as to whether their candidacies were valid (Woodhull, at 34, was underage and women did not yet have the vote) and whether any states printed their names on the ballot. Several minor parties have nominated women for both President and Vice-President since 1968 who have received valid votes with one, Tonie Nathan, becoming the first woman to receive a vote in the Electoral College, which actually formally decides the Presidential election (not the popular vote as we saw in 2000), when a renegade elector from Virginia in 1972 voted for the Libertarian ticket of John Hospers and Tonie Nathan rather than the Republican ticket of Richard Nixon and Spiro Agnew to which he was pledged.

Here is an outline of some of the current debate about this:

Women Running For US President in the General Election

If Clinton wins the nomination she would be the first female major party candidate to be nominated for President although not the first to appear on a ticket (President or V-P, which voters cannot split if they wish to cast a valid vote), that feat belonging to Geraldine Ferraro in 1984, as stated above. Clinton is not the first woman to seek the nomination of a major party, that distinction belonging to Shirley Chisholm, a black Congresswoman from New York, who sought the Democratic nomination in 1972 but lost out to Senator George McGovern of South Dakota. Chisholm was also the first woman (as well as black candidate) to win a Presidential primary, winning New Jersey with 66% of the vote:

Shirley Chisholm

At the last election in 2004 Carol Moseley Braun, former Senator from Illinois (Obama's state) and the first black female member of the US Senate as well as former US Ambassador to New Zealand, contested the Democratic nomination but withdrew four days before the Iowa caucuses, endorsing Howard Dean instead:

Carol Moseley Braun

[Lara Lara Laughs]

Cheers AD.

[eowyn]

Dukacis (spelling probably horrendously wrong) had a woman running as his vice-presidential canditate when he lost.

Correct spelling: Dukakis. But his running mate (1988) was Lloyd Bentson.

I think you're talking about Geraldine Ferraro who was running mate of Walter Mondale in 1984 election against Reagan and Bush Sr. ticket in 1984.

Yes I am, I'm older than I like think I am and am develeping senile confusion on a grand scale.

[tac]

Dukacis (spelling probably horrendously wrong) had a woman running as his vice-presidential canditate when he lost.

Correct spelling: Dukakis. But his running mate (1988) was Lloyd Bentson.

I think you're talking about Geraldine Ferraro who was running mate of Walter Mondale in 1984 election against Reagan and Bush Sr. ticket in 1984.

Yes I am, I'm older than I like think I am and am develeping senile confusion on a grand scale.

I put that down to too much Welsh Fusilier . .

[eowyn]

I just thought that made me go blind?

[tac]

You got a Braille keyboard?

[eowyn]

Why do think my spelling is as appalling as it is and that I like you......

[tac]

Why do think my spelling is as appalling as it is and that I like you......

touche



time for bed, it's 2 am. Catch ya tomorrow

[eowyn]

touche



time for bed, it's 2 am. Catch ya tomorrow

Night, snuffly dreams.

[Lara Lara Laughs]

Is it just me that finds John Edwards incredibly slimy?

[LeFromage]

Insincere is the word you're looking for.

From a big-shot lawyer - who would've thought it...?

[Lara Lara Laughs]

Clearly the Clinton "emotion" was a planned strategy to make her seem more 'human'. But apart from swaying a few middle aged women, it just makes her come accross as weak, imo. At the end of the day, Americans don't want their President breaking down in tears.

Just for the record, I think the emotion was genuine. She was under a massive amount of pressure and I don't believe that she is calculating enough, or even physically able, to cry on demand.

She says herself that the incident gave her a bond with New Hampshire and helped her to win. I'm not sure it will work in the long run though. I think she'll alienate some independents who might have voted for her because they'll either interpret it as a cold, callous political move as you have or as a sign of "a woman's weakness". Whether that be later in the primaries or in the actual presidential election, I think it will happen at some point.

[eowyn]

Forum Goat are you New Yorker? Just wondering, if you don't know what I'm talking about ignore me.

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