Indian Cricket

This thread has been surprisingly missing after all that has happened past 2 weeks.

Anyways, there will be lots to discuss in coming days and we could all have non-specific stuff here again.

Anyone thinks that Dhoni as test keeper / batsman is a cause for concern? My view and also Josh's that BCCI has jumped the gun in making him the first choice and captain in making is coming true. The man is simply not good enough as batsman outside friendly sub-continent conditions. SA, WI, Aus, it is evident. Should Karthick be the test keeper? he has better technique to play on different surfaces surely? Parthiv Patel is the best among the three but for his shoddy keeping. If he has worked on that front then he should be given a look in again.

We already have a couple of Indian Cricket threads. In the back pages.

Batman wrote:Anyone thinks that Dhoni as test keeper / batsman is a cause for concern? My view and also Josh's that BCCI has jumped the gun in making him the first choice and captain in making is coming true. The man is simply not good enough as batsman outside friendly sub-continent conditions. SA, WI, Aus, it is evident. Should Karthick be the test keeper? he has better technique to play on different surfaces surely? Parthiv Patel is the best among the three but for his shoddy keeping. If he has worked on that front then he should be given a look in again.

Has Dhoni made a mistake as keeper in this series? A keepers first job is to keep. Dhoni is the best keeper in the world atm

Cracka wrote:

Batman wrote:Anyone thinks that Dhoni as test keeper / batsman is a cause for concern? My view and also Josh's that BCCI has jumped the gun in making him the first choice and captain in making is coming true. The man is simply not good enough as batsman outside friendly sub-continent conditions. SA, WI, Aus, it is evident. Should Karthick be the test keeper? he has better technique to play on different surfaces surely? Parthiv Patel is the best among the three but for his shoddy keeping. If he has worked on that front then he should be given a look in again.

Has Dhoni made a mistake as keeper in this series? A keepers first job is to keep. Dhoni is the best keeper in the world atm

A year or so ago I suggested that Dhoni was a FTB whose technique would be found suspect outside the sub-continent. As per usual the Indian contingent on C4 immediately attacked me and the normal accusations of racism were levelled at me.

Ah well.

taipan wrote:

Cracka wrote:

Batman wrote:Anyone thinks that Dhoni as test keeper / batsman is a cause for concern? My view and also Josh's that BCCI has jumped the gun in making him the first choice and captain in making is coming true. The man is simply not good enough as batsman outside friendly sub-continent conditions. SA, WI, Aus, it is evident. Should Karthick be the test keeper? he has better technique to play on different surfaces surely? Parthiv Patel is the best among the three but for his shoddy keeping. If he has worked on that front then he should be given a look in again.

Has Dhoni made a mistake as keeper in this series? A keepers first job is to keep. Dhoni is the best keeper in the world atm

A year or so ago I suggested that Dhoni was a FTB whose technique would be found suspect outside the sub-continent. As per usual the Indian contingent on C4 immediately attacked me and the normal accusations of racism were levelled at me.

Ah well.

All our keepers are FTB. Atleast Dhoni does not drop many or do silly mistakes behind the stumps.

And he has saved odd test match here and there, which is more than any of our other keepers can do.

Cracka wrote:

Batman wrote:Anyone thinks that Dhoni as test keeper / batsman is a cause for concern? My view and also Josh's that BCCI has jumped the gun in making him the first choice and captain in making is coming true. The man is simply not good enough as batsman outside friendly sub-continent conditions. SA, WI, Aus, it is evident. Should Karthick be the test keeper? he has better technique to play on different surfaces surely? Parthiv Patel is the best among the three but for his shoddy keeping. If he has worked on that front then he should be given a look in again.

Has Dhoni made a mistake as keeper in this series? A keepers first job is to keep. Dhoni is the best keeper in the world atm

Not just keeping but test batting as well, and Karthick is as good in keeping and better in batting [tests]. I reckon he is a complete test player and a tougher nut. Thing is it's pointless seeing Dhoni whack huge boundaries and piling up those 100s and 50s in quicktime when things are easy. But struggling to even chip in usefully or hanging in there when out of his comfort zone is not helping him and certainly not the team.

I just don't see how having him as a long term captain will help if he can't even occupy the crease in places like Aus, SA, NZ or WI? I don't argue his position in T20s and JAMODIs though. But these games are usually played on batting wickets where a batsman is never really tested these days.

Dhoni's doing brilliantly, why would anyone want to change him?

doremi wrote:Dhoni's doing brilliantly, why would anyone want to change him?

There is sufficient doubt about his ability to bat in overseas conditions at the moment. It is farcical that poor Karthick was dumped after just 2 bad tests against Pakistan at home. Dhoni mania is all built on superlative performances in ODIs and T20s. Most of it in the sub-continent. There is too much hype. But he is still in the grey like Yuvraj where tests are concerned in situations where a character is tested.

Ofcourse you're vilifyig Dhoni for doing well in tracks where kaarthick has failed and badly when facing sub-standard bowling.

doremi wrote:Ofcourse you're vilifyig Dhoni for doing well in tracks where kaarthick has failed and badly when facing sub-standard bowling.

Not vilifying. But Karthick has not got as too many opportunities either. Not as many as Dhoni did anyways. After his comeback he had just one bad series. But Dhoni has a horrendous run continously 3 times now outside the sub-continent. Surely the selectors should be analyzing this fact by now.

Horrendous run? He failed in the first 3 innings here in Australia, had a really good series in England and was decent in South Africa as well.

vikas just for your benefit, dhoni is a wicket-keeper.

wicket keepers keep wickets. their main job is to take catches, effect stumpings and generally be tidy behind the stumps

a batsman is picked for hitting the ball and making runs

a bowler is used to bowl the ball and pick wickets

we shall have more advanced classes next week

The One wrote:vikas just for your benefit, dhoni is a wicket-keeper.

wicket keepers keep wickets. their main job is to take catches, effect stumpings and generally be tidy behind the stumps

a batsman is picked for hitting the ball and making runs

a bowler is used to bowl the ball and pick wickets

we shall have more advanced classes next week

Dissention in the Indian ranks

taipan wrote:

The One wrote:vikas just for your benefit, dhoni is a wicket-keeper.

wicket keepers keep wickets. their main job is to take catches, effect stumpings and generally be tidy behind the stumps

a batsman is picked for hitting the ball and making runs

a bowler is used to bowl the ball and pick wickets

we shall have more advanced classes next week

Dissention in the Indian ranks

Excuse me?

The One wrote:vikas just for your benefit, dhoni is a wicket-keeper.

wicket keepers keep wickets. their main job is to take catches, effect stumpings and generally be tidy behind the stumps

a batsman is picked for hitting the ball and making runs. Then why does the Indian team fall into the occasional trap of playing 5 bowlers at times putting their faith in him as a batsman and even as an allrounder? Why is his batting so much stressed by selectors and captains time and again?

a bowler is used to bowl the ball and pick wicketsIrrelevant. Dhoni does not bowl.

we shall have more advanced classes next week

Fixed. This is about two wicketkeepers and not about bowlers and specialist batsmen wiseguy. So Dhoni has not had his problems behind stumps at all? Can you prove that Karthick is more sloppy behind the wickets than Dhoni? Karthick can keep and bat more better than Dhoni in tests. As far as keeping or batting is concerned, he is no lesser. We shall attempt to have his simple basic explained to you next week in your very own class then.

maybe i should have started with english lessons

Anyways. Next India tour will be interesting. Hopefully after this test Karthick gets a look in for the last test. Jaffar unfortunately for him will have to sit out.

The One wrote:maybe i should have started with english lessons

Sure. Please learn it fast.

Dhoni seems to go into his shell a little bit when he bats in tests, or that's what I've noticed on this tour anyway. He needs to back himself a bit more and pin his ears back, Gilly style. He should have gone a bit harder this morning, for example.

His bread and butter, his keeping, was sublime today.

Bengal Junior cricketer scores 301 runs off 126 balls

A junior batsman scored 301 runs off 126 balls on a single day in the Cricket Association of Bengal 110-point junior cricket tournament at Kanchrapara near Kolkata on Thursday.

Masrum Sarkar, turning out for Kanchrapara Cricket Coaching Centre, struck the dazzling triple hundred in the league match against Shilpashree Dum Dum Cricket Coaching Centre.

Right hand bat Sarkar, who came to bat at the fall of the third wicket, hit 19 fours and as many as 32 sixes as Kanchrapara were all out for 634 in 77.5 overs on the opening day of the two-day encounter.

What? Dhoni got you a draw at Lords and almost got you one at Sydney.

So I guess it is certain that Kumble will now remain test captain till he retires. Injury barring, I see Kumble playing out 2 more years as India spinner and captain in tests.
His position as captain after the results against Aus and Pak is more or less settled irrespective of the final result at Adelide. He is senior, experienced, in form and someone who everyone in the team respects and looks upto. And to think it looked like he would be the captain India never had a couple of seasons back. And most importantly he can handle and fightback in a crisis without losing focus.

This, Ladies and Gentlemen, is the BCCI secrtary giving an interview.

For the sake of argument, what is the more important criterion for selection: performance or rotation policy? Would you drop the best performing players for rotation policy?
Rahul's performance is not there. Lakshman's performance is not there.

I am talking about Ganguly. He has done well.
Lakshman has done well too.

We are talking about ODI.
Selection was made for ODIs.

Why are you looking at ODI?
Actually, it is a selection committee matter. We do not get into it.

FFS. This man is near the top of the adminstrative ladder at the BCCI. FFS.

the guy is a buffoon but the interviewer was looking for some masala quotes and shah wouldnt budge. maybe his english isnt the best.

fact of the matter is tendulkar simply does not get dropped and ganguly and dravid have been dropped not rested but you cant come out and say that, especially given how the indian media is.