Indian Cricket

Batman wrote:

doremi wrote:The team for the Sri Lanka tests and CT to be picked on the 8th. Assuming everyone's fit, my team would be -

For SL

Kumble
Dhoni
Sehwag
Laxman
Tendulkar
Ganguly
Dravid
Yuvraj
Parthiv
Harbhajan
Zaheer
Sreesanth
Ishant
RP
Pathan/Gambhir

It is certain now the selectors will stick to useless UMB who is also among Dhoni's favoured at the moment and leave out a more deserving Parthiv P. It is also certain Jaffar will be in on account of the TINA factor that so far was the dogma of Indian politics for the electorates - There Is No Alternative factor! I for once would love to give both Karthick and Parthiv a shot at opening together.

How is Parthiv more deserving than Gambhir?



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His name, Chandan!

Rolls off the tongue easier, FFS.

furriner wrote:His name, Chandan!

Rolls off the tongue easier, FFS.

why do you post soooo much garbage?

Chandan wrote:

Batman wrote:

doremi wrote:The team for the Sri Lanka tests and CT to be picked on the 8th. Assuming everyone's fit, my team would be -

For SL

Kumble
Dhoni
Sehwag
Laxman
Tendulkar
Ganguly
Dravid
Yuvraj
Parthiv
Harbhajan
Zaheer
Sreesanth
Ishant
RP
Pathan/Gambhir

It is certain now the selectors will stick to useless UMB who is also among Dhoni's favoured at the moment and leave out a more deserving Parthiv P. It is also certain Jaffar will be in on account of the TINA factor that so far was the dogma of Indian politics for the electorates - There Is No Alternative factor! I for once would love to give both Karthick and Parthiv a shot at opening together.

How is Parthiv more deserving than Gambhir?.

As far as tests are concerned, in experience and better batting technique and on the domestic front as a yardstick, he has been among the leading ones to last season. I don't think UMB is good as opener in tests on helpful pitches or against better pace or swing bowling.

didnt gambhir do well in the ranji as well? got tons in the semis and finals iirc

both are not opener material tbh

I don't think they're going to play next few matches on either bowler friendly tracks or even bouncy tracks as next 4 test series are in India and Pakistan.

And Gambhir had a terrific season last time, better than everyone with his Ranji final inning being the highlight.

Just can't see how Parthiv comes better there, playing in Plate division.

All I am saying is Parthiv is a proven bat at test level and is likely to fare better with his tighter technique than loose and fancy free Gambhir who it seems is making a reputation of being a king of flat tracks and attacks.

He is not the answer long term anyways so why not use the time to groom someone better full time? I mean even the likes of Raina and Uthappa did well on domestic fronts when they got in, but can we bet on them at test level?

No point having players who will strike against loose opposition on good flat wickets and who will crumble and lead the team down the moment the heat is turned on leaving us in precarious positions that leads to series defeats, the kind seen in SA and Aus last.

Batman wrote:All I am saying is Parthiv is a proven bat at test level and is likely to fare better with his tighter technique than loose and fancy free Gambhir who it seems is making a reputation of being a king of flat tracks and attacks.

He is not the answer long term anyways so why not use the time to groom someone better full time? I mean even the likes of Raina and Uthappa did well on domestic fronts when they got in, but can we bet on them at test level?

No point having players who will strike against loose opposition on good flat wickets and who will crumble and lead the team down the moment the heat is turned on leaving us in precarious positions that leads to series defeats, the kind seen in SA and Aus last.

Proven at test level as an opener?

You think Parthiv can serve as an opener for a long time?

Raina and Uthappa did well in Ranji as openers?

You are totally confused Vikas.


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I am not confused. My above post is self explanatory.

I remember Parthiv opening against Pakistan in 2004 [Last test I think]. Maybe in one test only. Raina and Uthappa may have opened in domestic games but surely you have seen them play enough in ODIs to judge whthere they can grind it out in tests now? Parthiv deserves to be in the side in tests based on current form and past experience and ahs been a successful test batsman and most likely to do better than the likes of UMB, Uthappa and Raina in difficult situations. He should be given a shot for a series or two purely as a batsman before taking a decision on his future is all I feel. I am all for people who can grind it out and play according to situations than FTBs who can make hay only when conditions suit them. Before Sehwag was tried, people didn't know he would be our most successful opener in the last 2 decades now did we? Patel is a fighter and I would rather have a fighter at the top who can make steady runs consistantly than FTBs who will make big 100s only against lesser bowlers on flatter grounds.....

Patel is a fighter and I would rather have a fighter at the top who can make steady runs consistantly than FTBs who will make big 100s only against lesser bowlers on flatter grounds.....

Don't agree. There are in fact no indications that Parthiv can grind it out at the top level and will be successful, henforth.

Oh dear. More Gambhir bashing. Give him a chance ffs. I think Shikar Dhawan would be a better alternative than Patel, anyway.

Henry wrote:Oh dear. More Gambhir bashing. Give him a chance ffs. I think Shikar Dhawan would be a better alternative than Patel, anyway.

At the moment, I suppose Gambhir will be better. Let us see if he keeps upto this expectation or not.

Chandan wrote:

Patel is a fighter and I would rather have a fighter at the top who can make steady runs consistantly than FTBs who will make big 100s only against lesser bowlers on flatter grounds.....

Don't agree. There are in fact no indications that Parthiv can grind it out at the top level and will be successful, henforth.

I would think the way he helped us draw his first test in England and the way he fought it out in the middle order against Aus at home whenever our bigs guns failed was enough indication that he had a stomach for fighting it out. A test average of 32 coming at number 7 and against good sides both home and away is good enough for a WK-bat playing in at number 7. And he has shown the ability to dig in and hang in there if the situation demands it. Anyways to each his own. We have seen enough players show big temperament in harmless tests before being exposed in Indian teams in the past. Names like S.S. Das, Sanjay Bangar, etc. come to mind. Lets see if Gambhir can handle the heat in test conditions.

India should be more ambitious than being happy with a guy averaging 30 at the top of the order.

horace wrote:

doremi wrote:It's still just 2 tests though, one of them when he was clearly too young to play international cricket. He still is very raw. His hype has seen him be fast tracked into the team though, to both his benefit and detriment.

the doremi sig is confounded by the doubts about where India sits as a minnow or non minnow

What?

Doremi, Horrie is being Horrie (ie a c*nt) and wondering whether India themselves are minnows.

Infact it doesn't have to be Parthiv, I will be happy with anyone not Jaffer or Gambhir.

Henry wrote:India should be more ambitious than being happy with a guy averaging 30 at the top of the order.

An ave of 32 at number 7 purely as a WK bat. He is capable of much more if played as a specialist bat. At least he won't fall to single digit scores in tough conditions regularly like some of our specialist openers do.

doremi wrote:Infact it doesn't have to be Parthiv, I will be happy with anyone not Jaffer or Gambhir.

Suggest the name of that 'anyone'!!

Dhawan. Chopra. Patel.

doremi wrote:Dhawan. Chopra. Patel.

Akash Chopra? Sorry. The guy doesn't choose himself even on the basis of Ranjis. And if you're thinking about his 2003-04 Australia tour then I'll tell you that those were 5 years back and he just couldn't back himself in the coming series and hence was dropped.

Patel? Parthiv? Wonder how can ANYONE say that he is better than Jaffer and Gambhir while opening! What is the basis?

Dhawan is not fully ready for a test cap.

The basis is Jaffer is more or less a proven failure and Gambhir is useless against non-minnows. Anybody would be better, even *shudder* Yuvraj.

Isn't Yuvraj a proven failure too?

And how do you know that a non specialist like Patel will be able bash even the minnows?

Patel is not a non-specialist. He's opened for India, he opened for the A teams, he's opened for his Ranji side and his IPL side. In the longer form, he's always been very effective.

doremi> Yaar, Gambhir is going to make you eat your signature... sooner than you think!