Australian ball tampering headlines.

lardbucket wrote:

Bradman wrote:

Red wrote:Think it's a smart move by Smith. He has the public in his corner after the lachrymose press conference and he will be seen as having some humility and integrity.

Warner is older and CA is already at the end of their tether where he is concerned. He probably thinks he has nothing to lose.

OK that's got to be the most obscure word used on this forum.

It's Red's favourite, has used it 1087 times on this forum alone

That's a bit egregious of you.

It's only used when it's the apposite term.

why write tearful when you can write lachrymose

why write pretty when you can write pulchritudinous

etc

Indeed, why write excremental digestive waste when you can just write crap?

But we all have words we love to use. For instance I'm a massive fan of 'cantankerous' but it never gets an airing on this forum, uncanny really....

taipan wrote:

Bradman wrote:It's not leadership Red.  It's a stitch up.  This is a farce.  Unless Sutherland and Howard go without golden parachutes this thing is nonsensical.
S

Word.

Agreed.

Correction.... can I had the universally reviled Kjnr?

And on that note embee, I'm going to put my head over the parapet here and argue a point for David Warner, at the risk of incurring the wrath of Australian friends on this forum.

This became so much more than ball tampering the moment Bancroft deceived the umpires when challenged. That started the fire, so to speak - and at the following press conference, Smith and Bancroft threw petrol on it with the nonsense about sticky tape.

The sanctions are not for ball tampering - they're for lying to the umpires, the press, the cricketing public in general ... and turning Australian cricket into a three-ring circus.

Here's the difficulty - Smith & Bancroft are on camera for the world to see. Warner is not, and (distasteful as this is) I've not seen, or heard any evidence of him telling lies about the situation. On that basis alone he has an argument about the fairness of the sanctions.

Yes, he is an unpleasant individual of the highest order. As their attack dog, the powers that be had chances enough to keep him on a shorter leash and spectacularly failed to do so. Now, from 10,000 miles away - it does look like CA have taken this opportunity to put as much blame onto him as they can. Anger towards, and dislike of the bloke to one side, he's being seen as disposable (which may be true in itself) - but is it justice ?

I have to say I'm not 100% convinced.

You are a kind man Growler. I'm sorry I have long despised the creep.

That's exactly why we need a process - so nobody can whinge about anybody being thrown to the SBM pitchfork club.

Growls - Your reasoning and verdict re. Warner sounds more like  one handed down from the soft-cocks at the European "Court of Justice" in the Hague, after their 16 month deliberations!

Warner has admitted to full complicity in tampering the ball.
He has not denied the using of sandpaper to effect such tampering.
He is on camera (the later press conference) admitting these facts.

He is therefore, by default, entirely guilty of the charge, regardless of whether he was 'caught on camera' or whether he was absent at the time of the revelations by Smith and Bancroft.

Guilty as charged.

I would however agree, that the bans could have been substantially less had the two batsmen revealed in the first instance that it was sandpaper and not sticky tape.

Sure, there would have been Gasps, Shudders and much wringing of hands BUT, it would have been out in there in the open at the very beginning. THAT was the silly cock-up.

[quote="horace"]You are a kind man Growler. I'm sorry I have long despised the creep.[/quote

Thanks, h.

I have to say I've never been a fan either. Whilst many top achievers in may fields are grumpy, prickly, abrasive to the point of nastiness even, DW was often more extreme than almost all his contemporaries.

Admittedly, as I sasid - being English, I don't have the same emotional investment in it all, and so (maybe) I'm seeing it all with a slightly more detatched perspective. Whether it's true or not, it doesn't *look* right, from here.

Merlin wrote:Growls - Your reasoning and verdict re. Warner sounds more like  one handed down from the soft-cocks at the European "Court of Justice" in the Hague, after their 16 month deliberations!

Warner has admitted to full complicity in tampering the ball.
He has not denied the using of sandpaper to effect such tampering.
He is on camera (the later press conference) admitting these facts.

He is therefore, by default, entirely guilty of the charge, regardless of whether he was 'caught on camera' or whether he was absent at the time of the revelations by Smith and Bancroft.

Guilty as charged.

I would however agree, that the bans could have been substantially less had the two batsmen revealed in the first instance that it was sandpaper and not sticky tape.

Sure, there would have been Gasps, Shudders and much wringing of hands BUT, it would have been out in there in the open at the very beginning. THAT was the silly cock-up.

And the comment about the leadership group?

What about it?

Merlin wrote:What about it?

Part of the cock up in my eyes. The implication was more than two players were involved. So either Smith was falsely chucking other players under the bus, or he lied to the inquiry.

Merlin wrote:Growls - Your reasoning and verdict re. Warner sounds more like  one handed down from the soft-cocks at the European "Court of Justice" in the Hague, after their 16 month deliberations!

Warner has admitted to full complicity in tampering the ball.
He has not denied the using of sandpaper to effect such tampering.
He is on camera (the later press conference) admitting these facts.

He is therefore, by default, entirely guilty of the charge, regardless of whether he was 'caught on camera' or whether he was absent at the time of the revelations by Smith and Bancroft.

Guilty as charged.

I would however agree, that the bans could have been substantially less had the two batsmen revealed in the first instance that it was sandpaper and not sticky tape.

Sure, there would have been Gasps, Shudders and much wringing of hands BUT, it would have been out in there in the open at the very beginning. THAT was the silly cock-up.

You've half-got it Merls.

Yes, DW has admitted guilt to the sandpaper etc, so guilty as charged. But .....

They weren't **punished** for ball tampering alone ...

They were punished for lying, covering-up and embarrassing CA.

There's the subtle difference which, dislike and emotion to one side say that of the three - he's carrying the can, not least the perpetual ban on leadership roles.

Taips - I agree.
Perhaps Smith was aware that dragging Warner under the bus with him was beneficial to the team.
Or perhaps Warner was complicit after all - who knows!

However, I cannot for a moment, believe that three batsmen had the entire wrap on sanding the ball without concern/input from one or more of the bowlers or that Lehmann was an innocent bystander.

But sadly this particular chapter might have to wait until a couple of the team have retired and finally get around to writing a specific chapter "revealing all"  in their memoirs.

Warner is not going to appeal his suspension.

Big Dog wrote:Warner is not going to appeal his suspension.

Interesting.

taipan wrote:

Big Dog wrote:Warner is not going to appeal his suspension.

Interesting.

Again. Maybe he's cut a deal about playing in other comps.

Appeal the suspension and his file would definitely have been marked.

Take his medicine and he MIGHT have another chance.

JGK wrote:

taipan wrote:

Big Dog wrote:Warner is not going to appeal his suspension.

Interesting.

Again.  Maybe he's cut a deal about playing in other comps.

Let's see where he pops up.

lardbucket wrote:Appeal the suspension and his file would definitely have been marked.

Take his medicine and he MIGHT have another chance.

Plus he couldn't play the race card.

embee wrote:Kyle and Jackie O have defended their phuckwit "Intern Pete" who made a goose of himself at the Steve Smith press conference 

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Fred Nerk wrote:The Kyles of this world should be collectively called the R Bend - because they're only one link on the food chain above the S Bend.

Fork the teams, I think they should start with sanctioning every Aussie forumer for talking a language of their own. Apart from providing each with their personal translator.

^^

very funny