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7 MP's gone and I think there will be a steady trickle in weeks to come. The big question is, will any Tories follow suit? Anna Soubry maybe, possibly Heidi Allen as well, but I'm struggling to think of others.
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Nick Boles is the obvious one being mentioned... and how about Ken Clarke to end his career with a final “f*ck Brexit” statement by joining them?Basil wrote:7 MP's gone and I think there will be a steady trickle in weeks to come. The big question is, will any Tories follow suit? Anna Soubry maybe, possibly Heidi Allen as well, but I'm struggling to think of others.
There’s seemingly a double figure number of ministers prepared to resign to stop no deal if it comes to it, so plenty of potential recruits there.
John Major and Tony Blair backing the same new party? It could yet happen
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Personally I am hoping for a serious plunge in the pound to half its current value
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It's an ill wind........
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No chance of any Tories following suit. Absolutely no chance.Basil wrote:7 MP's gone and I think there will be a steady trickle in weeks to come. The big question is, will any Tories follow suit? Anna Soubry maybe, possibly Heidi Allen as well, but I'm struggling to think of others.
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Good effort from Basil in tipping two of the three Tory defectors.
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Seems the no deal Brexiters are planning to really screw the Irish. Happily the EU is alert to this. The Republic will get through this and watch its prospects improve as Pomgolia's descend.
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I can't see the EU throwing the Republic under the bus. I think they will tell May, it's their way or the highway. Oh what funhorace wrote:Seems the no deal Brexiters are planning to really screw the Irish. Happily the EU is alert to this. The Republic will get through this and watch its prospects improve as Pomgolia's descend.
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The hardliners still think Europe will blink at the last moment, when no deal is actually better for the EU than allowing us to have our cake and eat it.
Looks like a number of Cabinet ministers may rebel to try and end this game of chicken with jobs and lives shortly.
Looks like a number of Cabinet ministers may rebel to try and end this game of chicken with jobs and lives shortly.
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The only certainty I think is that there is no majority in the H of C for No Deal, but that needs to be taken off the table asap.
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Sunday politics round up.
No deal would be best for us long term, but as usual people are too afraid to stand on their own two feet these days, something my father drummed into us from an early age. We won't get no deal of course, we will either get no Brexit or a version of May's deal, which is actually worse than remain, in many ways. I'd love to get no deal, but i can't see it with the spineless people who run our country scaremongering as they do.
Other than child benefit for my 3 kids i've never taken a single penny in welfare money and i doubt i ever will. I now earn very good money through study and hard graft.
Foreign aid should be halved immediately and the money put to helping our own people in crisis. Giving money in billions of pounds to places which hate us like Pakistan is crazy. We have ex-service people on the streets or in poverty, they and our own poor should come first, second and third. Let the billionaire Arab oil nations pay for poor Moslem countries like Pakistan and elsewhere. I notice the oil states won't take ANY Islamic refugees or asylum seekers. Even though same language and same ideology. No they all want to come here instead and fk us over. The rich oil nations know that the fakeugees are actually economic, political and religious colonists and they'd far rather they came to the west and continued the takeover ongoing for decades now.
No deal would be best for us long term, but as usual people are too afraid to stand on their own two feet these days, something my father drummed into us from an early age. We won't get no deal of course, we will either get no Brexit or a version of May's deal, which is actually worse than remain, in many ways. I'd love to get no deal, but i can't see it with the spineless people who run our country scaremongering as they do.
Other than child benefit for my 3 kids i've never taken a single penny in welfare money and i doubt i ever will. I now earn very good money through study and hard graft.
Foreign aid should be halved immediately and the money put to helping our own people in crisis. Giving money in billions of pounds to places which hate us like Pakistan is crazy. We have ex-service people on the streets or in poverty, they and our own poor should come first, second and third. Let the billionaire Arab oil nations pay for poor Moslem countries like Pakistan and elsewhere. I notice the oil states won't take ANY Islamic refugees or asylum seekers. Even though same language and same ideology. No they all want to come here instead and fk us over. The rich oil nations know that the fakeugees are actually economic, political and religious colonists and they'd far rather they came to the west and continued the takeover ongoing for decades now.
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May announces that the meaningful vote will not take place until. 12th March. This really is taking the mickey. This will be 17 days away from Brexit day itself with no serious trade deals in place. You could not make this up.
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Well, it’s better than 28th March... but still, ridiculously close to the wire, and the MPs have to try and do something.
I’ve always thought that if we get into March and nothing is settled then I’ll start stocking up on extra essentials and favourite items... shortages are bound to occur ahead of the actual date, in some areas.
I’ve always thought that if we get into March and nothing is settled then I’ll start stocking up on extra essentials and favourite items... shortages are bound to occur ahead of the actual date, in some areas.
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And that's the way it will go, those who can will stock up, those who can't Will go short. This madness has to stop.
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Basil wrote:And that's the way it will go, those who can will stock up, those who can't Will go short. This madness has to stop.
This is becoming a classic Gordian knot. Rees-Mogg and no doubt Murdoch have sharpened their no deal swords.
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No Deal might get taken off the table on Wednesday in the H of C. Some papers are suggesting a two month delay to Brexit to allow all the necessary legislation to be passed.horace wrote:Basil wrote:And that's the way it will go, those who can will stock up, those who can't Will go short. This madness has to stop.
This is becoming a classic Gordian knot. Rees-Mogg and no doubt Murdoch have sharpened their no deal swords.
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Basil wrote:No Deal might get taken off the table on Wednesday in the H of C. Some papers are suggesting a two month delay to Brexit to allow all the necessary legislation to be passed.horace wrote:Basil wrote:And that's the way it will go, those who can will stock up, those who can't Will go short. This madness has to stop.
This is becoming a classic Gordian knot. Rees-Mogg and no doubt Murdoch have sharpened their no deal swords.
Hope you are right and sense prevails.
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Sense left town on 23rd June 2016.horace wrote:Basil wrote:No Deal might get taken off the table on Wednesday in the H of C. Some papers are suggesting a two month delay to Brexit to allow all the necessary legislation to be passed.horace wrote:Basil wrote:And that's the way it will go, those who can will stock up, those who can't Will go short. This madness has to stop.
This is becoming a classic Gordian knot. Rees-Mogg and no doubt Murdoch have sharpened their no deal swords.
Hope you are right and sense prevails.
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There still needs to be something to legislate on, though... May and her advisors are still out there unicorn-hunting.Basil wrote:No Deal might get taken off the table on Wednesday in the H of C. Some papers are suggesting a two month delay to Brexit to allow all the necessary legislation to be passed.horace wrote:Basil wrote:And that's the way it will go, those who can will stock up, those who can't Will go short. This madness has to stop.
This is becoming a classic Gordian knot. Rees-Mogg and no doubt Murdoch have sharpened their no deal swords.
A three month delay just means the no-deal precipice will return in the summer, then we rinse and repeat. Some are suggesting a kick back until 2021 if there’s nothing on the table, in which case surely we need a general election?
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That would be the way to go: a general election, renegotiation and then a referendum.beamer wrote:There still needs to be something to legislate on, though... May and her advisors are still out there unicorn-hunting.Basil wrote:No Deal might get taken off the table on Wednesday in the H of C. Some papers are suggesting a two month delay to Brexit to allow all the necessary legislation to be passed.horace wrote:Basil wrote:And that's the way it will go, those who can will stock up, those who can't Will go short. This madness has to stop.
This is becoming a classic Gordian knot. Rees-Mogg and no doubt Murdoch have sharpened their no deal swords.
A three month delay just means the no-deal precipice will return in the summer, then we rinse and repeat. Some are suggesting a kick back until 2021 if there’s nothing on the table, in which case surely we need a general election?
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So the scumbag Corbyn is now supporting a second referendum to try and deter any further defections.
Doubtless Vilks will find some some virtue in this spineless piece of electioneering.
Doubtless Vilks will find some some virtue in this spineless piece of electioneering.
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Second referendum makes sense. Clearly there is more info around on the consequences.
Corbyn again will run dead in the campaign. That is what makes him untenable.
Corbyn again will run dead in the campaign. That is what makes him untenable.
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horace wrote:Second referendum makes sense. Clearly there is more info around on the consequences.
Corbyn again will run dead in the campaign. That is what makes him untenable.
Second referendum isn't my argument. Corbyn suddenly jumping tracks to protect his position is.
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There may not be a majority for a second referendum. I hope I'm wrong but I don't think enough Tories will vote for it and a handful of Labour MP's will certainly vote against it.taipan wrote:horace wrote:Second referendum makes sense. Clearly there is more info around on the consequences.
Corbyn again will run dead in the campaign. That is what makes him untenable.
Second referendum isn't my argument. Corbyn suddenly jumping tracks to protect his position is.
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