Re: UK politics thread

by taipan Mon 25 Feb 2019, 18:03

Basil wrote:
taipan wrote:
horace wrote:Second referendum makes sense. Clearly there is more info around on the consequences.

Corbyn again will run dead in the campaign. That is what makes him untenable.

Second referendum isn't my argument. Corbyn suddenly jumping tracks to protect his position is.
There may not be a majority for a second referendum. I hope I'm wrong but I don't think enough Tories will vote for it and a handful of Labour MP's will certainly vote against it.

Still not my point. The unprincipled qunt is.

by Basil Mon 25 Feb 2019, 18:20

taipan wrote:
Basil wrote:
taipan wrote:
horace wrote:Second referendum makes sense. Clearly there is more info around on the consequences.

Corbyn again will run dead in the campaign. That is what makes him untenable.

Second referendum isn't my argument. Corbyn suddenly jumping tracks to protect his position is.
There may not be a majority for a second referendum. I hope I'm wrong but I don't think enough Tories will vote for it and a handful of Labour MP's will certainly vote against it.

Still not my point. The unprincipled qunt is.

He has principles, but none of them will be sufficient to get him elected. There just isn't the stomach for his kind of authoritarian socialism in this country. On the subject of the second referendum vote, you're probably right. I suspect that his calculation is that such a motion has little chance of success.

by Basil Mon 25 Feb 2019, 18:36

Another little story about Corbyn: when interviewed by Sky last week, he said that claims of bullying and anti-semitism were over-stated. The deputy leader was interviewed yesterday and said that he had passed 50 documented accusations of anti-semitism to Corbyn during the course of the previous week alone.

by beamer Mon 25 Feb 2019, 19:09

Basil wrote:Another little story about Corbyn: when interviewed by Sky last week, he said that claims of bullying and anti-demotion were over-stated. The deputy leader was interviewed yesterday and said that he had passed 50 documented accusations of anti-demotion to Corbyn during the course of the previous week alone.

Tom Watson is one of the few things the Labour Party has going for it at the moment. Seemingly the person holding back a flood of defections, taking the views of all sides seriously and telling it as it is.

by taipan Mon 25 Feb 2019, 19:18

Basil wrote:
taipan wrote:
Basil wrote:
taipan wrote:
horace wrote:Second referendum makes sense. Clearly there is more info around on the consequences.

Corbyn again will run dead in the campaign. That is what makes him untenable.

Second referendum isn't my argument. Corbyn suddenly jumping tracks to protect his position is.
There may not be a majority for a second referendum. I hope I'm wrong but I don't think enough Tories will vote for it and a handful of Labour MP's will certainly vote against it.

Still not my point. The unprincipled qunt is.
He has principles, but none of them will be sufficient to get him elected. There just isn't the stomach for his kind of authoritarian socialism in this country. On the subject of the second referendum vote, you're probably right. I suspect that his calculation is that such a motion has little chance of success.

National Socialism you mean? Explains the anti semitism

by beamer Mon 25 Feb 2019, 19:25

That’s the Yanks’ argument... “The Nazis were socialist, they had ‘socialist’ in their name”. Yeah, and the People’s Democratic Republic of (North) Korea has ‘democratic’ in its name...

by taipan Mon 25 Feb 2019, 20:46

beamer wrote:That’s the Yanks’ argument... “The Nazis were socialist, they had ‘socialist’ in their name”. Yeah, and the People’s Democratic Republic of (North) Korea has ‘democratic’ in its name...

And the U.K.?

by beamer Mon 25 Feb 2019, 20:53

taipan wrote:
beamer wrote:That’s the Yanks’ argument... “The Nazis were socialist, they had ‘socialist’ in their name”. Yeah, and the People’s Democratic Republic of (North) Korea has ‘democratic’ in its name...

And the U.K.?

Hasn’t had a King since 1952 Wink

by Basil Tue 26 Feb 2019, 19:55

So, this veil of tears might get extended to 23rd June. banghead

by Basil Tue 26 Feb 2019, 20:24

This is is the government's forecast for a no deal scenario as per The Guardian this evening:

The economy would be 6%-9% smaller over the next 15 years than it otherwise might have been, in the event of no deal, in line with Bank of England forecasts.

The flow of goods through Dover would be “very significantly reduced for months”.

With 30% of food coming from the EU, prices are likely to increase and there is a risk that panic buying might create shortages.

Only six of the 40 planned international trade agreements have been signed.

by horace Wed 27 Feb 2019, 07:17

Meanwhile here is an interesting article examining a small number of the social and health problems posed by the lack of a backstop on the Irish border.

link

by beamer Wed 27 Feb 2019, 08:14

The EU won’t give us another extension beyond June due to us not participating in the elections. A three month delay isn’t going to build consensus on any way forward. So this move is replacing a possible no deal exit in March with a probable no deal exit in June.

by taipan Tue 05 Mar 2019, 16:23

Labour still trying to duck anti-semitism charges
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47451023

The sad part is that the likes of Vilks don't believe it.

by Basil Tue 05 Mar 2019, 18:17

taipan wrote:Labour still trying to duck anti-semitism charges
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47451023

The sad part is that the likes of Vilks don't believe it.

I shall be surprised if there aren't more resignations from the parliamentary party.

by beamer Tue 05 Mar 2019, 18:28

Both major parties are being hijacked by extremists behind the scenes, with leadership powerless or not inclined to do anything about it, and a political system that ensures they will be the main two parties pretty much whatever happens to them.

Might as well just ask people on the ballot paper at the next election which particular religion/ethnic group they want to discriminate against.

by Basil Mon 11 Mar 2019, 22:57

So, it's like this: there are now meaningful legal assurances in place regarding the NI backstop, which the pm will bring to a meaningful vote tomorrow.

What odds May is shown a meaningful finger tomorrow in the H of C, and we end up in a meaningful crock of shoite?

WTF Mad

by JGK Tue 12 Mar 2019, 00:30

I'm now thinking of going to the UK to watch maybe a couple of the Ashes Tests - can you guys please try not to descend into civil war before then?

by Basil Tue 12 Mar 2019, 00:37

JGK wrote:I'm now thinking of going to the UK to watch maybe a couple of the Ashes Tests - can you guys please try not to descend into civil war before then?

What? Have a civil war when we have you buggers in our sights? That'll be the day.

by taipan Tue 12 Mar 2019, 01:34

JGK wrote:I'm now thinking of going to the UK to watch maybe a couple of the Ashes Tests - can you guys please try not to descend into civil war before then?

I'm also there in August, be interesting to see what happens to £sd.

by horace Tue 12 Mar 2019, 01:39

Basil wrote:
JGK wrote:I'm now thinking of going to the UK to watch maybe a couple of the Ashes Tests - can you guys please try not to descend into civil war before then?
What? Have a civil war when we have you buggers in our sights? That'll be the day.

An Irish Times poll shows implacable opposition to BREXIT. The Inner pomgoliams have no concept. Goodbye good Friday agreement.

by skully Wed 13 Mar 2019, 06:12

So what now after May's latest defeat??

by JGK Wed 13 Mar 2019, 06:14

skully wrote:So what now after May's latest defeat??

whitburn will need to clean up the mess and change underwear.

by taipan Wed 13 Mar 2019, 08:14

The “no deal” free vote today should prove interesting

by Basil Wed 13 Mar 2019, 09:17

taipan wrote:The “no deal” free vote today should prove interesting

I'm willing to bet that No Deal is voted down by a majority of 300+

by skully Wed 13 Mar 2019, 10:41

Just what the fark is the H of C doing? Perfecting the art of not making a decision???

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