Re: England v India, 2nd Test, Trent Bridge, 29 Jul-2 Aug, 2011

by Brass Monkey Mon 01 Aug 2011, 19:07

Brass Monkey wrote:Jason Dell'Olio from Southampton had e-mailed in : "I was arguing with some boorish tosser the other day about the relative merits of Broad and Timothy Bresnan of Yorkshire. I went for the NForce. Methinks me thinking has been vindicated so far, hah."

by LeFromage Mon 01 Aug 2011, 19:08

Brass Monkey wrote:
Dello wrote:
JKLever wrote:Still grates on me that Sturat didn't have the nous to realise on his own he was bowling short dross too much

He can't go back, Broad. Surely he's "got it' now. Surely?

Did youse both see the post-match interviews? IMO Broad looked pretty incensed that Nasser had brought his gashitude up. He's a total nob.

Yeah, he seemed to suggest he'd be reluctantly sticking with this current "idea" of taking wickets for the "next few Tests".

Then again, I was distracted from the post-match interviews by Naz's inability to grasp the notion that a microphone amplifies your voice and therefore you don't need to shout at the top of your lungs as if trying to hail a distant rickshaw.

Was he auditioning for the boxing? When he introduced Strauss, I thought he was going to breakout the "weighing in at 130 pounds, the Radley Wrangler, Cap-a-tainnnn STTTTRRRRRAAAAAUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!"

by Brass Monkey Mon 01 Aug 2011, 19:11

Dello wrote:
Yeah, he seemed to suggest he'd be reluctantly sticking with this current "idea" of taking wickets for the "next few Tests".

Then again, I was distracted from the post-match interviews by Naz's inability to grasp the notion that a microphone amplifies your voice and therefore you don't need to shout at the top of your lungs as if trying to hail a distant rickshaw.

Was he auditioning for the boxing? When he introduced Strauss, I thought he was going to breakout the "weighing in at 130 pounds, the Radley Wrangler, Cap-a-tainnnn STTTTRRRRRAAAAAUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!"

Heh heh, well I think he was trying to emphasise the magnitude of the result and gee the crowd up like the showman he is.

As for Broad, I reckon he must rate at least a Dwayne Bravo on the FIGJAM scale.

by LeFromage Mon 01 Aug 2011, 19:14

Really weak from India. England broke them in the field. Heads dropped. Body language was terrible. Wheels were coming off all over the place.

To collapse to 60-6 on a pretty placid track that had just yielded 550 runs with an rpo of 4+ from a ten man batting line-up, is pretty pathetic, all in all.

They didn't fancy it in the slightest.

by LeFromage Mon 01 Aug 2011, 19:16

Brass Monkey wrote:
Dello wrote:
Yeah, he seemed to suggest he'd be reluctantly sticking with this current "idea" of taking wickets for the "next few Tests".

Then again, I was distracted from the post-match interviews by Naz's inability to grasp the notion that a microphone amplifies your voice and therefore you don't need to shout at the top of your lungs as if trying to hail a distant rickshaw.

Was he auditioning for the boxing? When he introduced Strauss, I thought he was going to breakout the "weighing in at 130 pounds, the Radley Wrangler, Cap-a-tainnnn STTTTRRRRRAAAAAUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!"

Heh heh, well I think he was trying to emphasise the magnitude of the result and gee the crowd up like the showman he is.

As for Broad, I reckon he must rate at least a Dwayne Bravo on the FIGJAM scale.

Showman. Nasser. Hussain. These words don't belong together. Unless accompanied by Is, Not, and A.

by LeFromage Mon 01 Aug 2011, 19:18

Although I would like to mention Strauss' captaincy again.

60-6. 400 behind. New batsman at the crease.

Two slips... Rolling Eyes

by furriner Mon 01 Aug 2011, 19:20

At least we're not Australia yet.

No doubt in a few months we'll be worse. cyclops

by Brass Monkey Mon 01 Aug 2011, 19:22

Dello wrote:Really weak from India. England broke them in the field. Heads dropped. Body language was terrible. Wheels were coming off all over the place.

To collapse to 60-6 on a pretty placid track that had just yielded 550 runs with an rpo of 4+ from a ten man batting line-up, is pretty pathetic, all in all.

They didn't fancy it in the slightest.

Yeah, all I've heard people like Manjrekar or Gavaskar go on about is Sehwag, Gambhir(are you F*CKING kidding me?) and Zaheer. OK, they're a massive loss, no doubt about it - but it's not particularly that though IMO. I reckon we'd most likely have beaten them with those players in by the simple fact that there is such a gulf in the fielding and back-up bowling - they've had the best of the conditions and still gotten rinsed bigstyle.

by Brass Monkey Mon 01 Aug 2011, 19:23

Dello wrote:
Showman. Nasser. Hussain. These words don't belong together. Unless accompanied by Is, Not, and A.

NSR....

by LeFromage Mon 01 Aug 2011, 19:24

furriner wrote:At least we're not Australia yet.

No doubt in a few months we'll be worse.

Although both sides share the same problem of not having a spinner.

(Not that England can claim much superiority on that score given how Swann bowled this week)

by LeFromage Mon 01 Aug 2011, 19:25

Brass Monkey wrote:
Dello wrote:
Showman. Nasser. Hussain. These words don't belong together. Unless accompanied by Is, Not, and A.

NSR....

You or me? Maybe both?

by Brass Monkey Mon 01 Aug 2011, 19:26

Dello wrote:
(Not that England can claim much superiority on that score given how Swann bowled this week)

What's good about this England side is that the teams who are better players of spin struggle against the pace. And vice versa. We've pretty much got most situations covered in this regard.

by furriner Mon 01 Aug 2011, 19:27

Dello wrote:
furriner wrote:At least we're not Australia yet.

No doubt in a few months we'll be worse.

Although both sides share the same problem of not having a spinner.

(Not that England can claim much superiority on that score given how Swann bowled this week)

Swann at least looked the part. Unlike Bhajji who looked like anything but.

Although I do think we'll at least have fewer problems finding a better spinner than the Aussies.

by Brass Monkey Mon 01 Aug 2011, 19:28

Dello wrote:
You or me? Maybe both?

Possibly both. I obvo meant it as a joke and possibly mistook you for taking me seriously?

by LeFromage Mon 01 Aug 2011, 19:31

Brass Monkey wrote:
Dello wrote:Really weak from India. England broke them in the field. Heads dropped. Body language was terrible. Wheels were coming off all over the place.

To collapse to 60-6 on a pretty placid track that had just yielded 550 runs with an rpo of 4+ from a ten man batting line-up, is pretty pathetic, all in all.

They didn't fancy it in the slightest.

Yeah, all I've heard people like Manjrekar or Gavaskar go on about is Sehwag, Gambhir(are you F*CKING kidding me?) and Zaheer. OK, they're a massive loss, no doubt about it - but it's not particularly that though IMO. I reckon we'd most likely have beaten them with those players in by the simple fact that there is such a gulf in the fielding and back-up bowling - they've had the best of the conditions and still gotten rinsed bigstyle.

Zaheer's the big miss. But even if he was playing the bowling would still have the same problem of being just a three man attack and some beturbaned poseur. The seamers would've been ground into the dirt regardless.

In any case, the absences are somewhat self-inflicted. Zaheer turned up in rotten shape. Sehwag chose to defer a shoulder operation until after the IPL, ruling him out of the start of this tour - presumably a decision sanctioned by the BCCI. Gambhir pussied out of this Test with a bruise. Imagine him trying to explain that one to Allan Border.

India have turned up with excuses, but not much else. And that's a real shame.

by LeFromage Mon 01 Aug 2011, 19:35

Brass Monkey wrote:
Dello wrote:
You or me? Maybe both?

Possibly both. I obvo meant it as a joke and possibly mistook you for taking me seriously?

Yes. I didn't honestly believe you thought Nasser Hussain was the height of beguiling showmanship.

Although if he just threw in a "three, f*cking three" homage into his performances, I would certainly be willing to reconsider my position.

by LeFromage Mon 01 Aug 2011, 19:38

Brass Monkey wrote:
Dello wrote:
(Not that England can claim much superiority on that score given how Swann bowled this week)

What's good about this England side is that the teams who are better players of spin struggle against the pace. And vice versa. We've pretty much got most situations covered in this regard.

Yessir. But Swann did bowl poorly. Didn't take many wickets in the first Test, but was a constant challenge in unfavourable conditions.

Had a shocker this week.

by Brass Monkey Mon 01 Aug 2011, 19:39

Dello wrote:
India have turned up with excuses, but not much else. And that's a real shame.

Yeah, it's a big shame. There will always be a footnote under this series and England are damned if they do and damned if they don't. If Sehwag turns up and gets rolled then he's out of practice, if he flays us about then this is what they've been missing. If Zaheer plays and doesn't take wickets then he's not fully fit. If he takes wickets then that's what they've been missing. Gambhir? Well, as I've already highlighted he's hardly made any runs in 18 months shrug

absolutely no biggedy whatsoever. One could argue that Dravid up top and Yuvraj down the order did better than Gambhir could've dreamed of.

by Brass Monkey Mon 01 Aug 2011, 19:43

Dello wrote:Although if he just threw in a "three, f*cking three" homage into his performances, I would certainly be willing to reconsider my position.

Yeah, though, I mean - he used to romp up the century celebrations - people love to splurge bile about KP's celebrations, never heard them talk about Nass that way.

by Brass Monkey Mon 01 Aug 2011, 19:45

Dello wrote:
Had a shocker this week.

Well yeah, I suppose it's been a year since he 'got results'. It must start to crack even the biggest of egos.

by Davey Mon 01 Aug 2011, 20:50

I'm so jealous of India right now. Sad

by Brass Monkey Mon 01 Aug 2011, 21:07

What Davey? What?

by Davey Mon 01 Aug 2011, 21:11

by Brass Monkey Mon 01 Aug 2011, 21:13

Ravi Shastri - that whole video posted by krikri? He's always been more than bullish about India, just like Beefy for us though? Wink

by krikri Mon 01 Aug 2011, 21:41

He embarrassed himself big time, he looked like he was about to cry.

From what I gather, it was because Nasser said it was a disgrace that the BCCI are dictating over what parts of the DRS can be used. Then he went off into some wild rant.

He didn't seem to want to refute or respond to Nasser's point, he just started spouting off about how England are supposedly jealous about everything to do with Indian cricket. He came across as a churlish fan who is getting a bit worked up that his team are losing. Dare I say if England do become world number 1 at the end of the series, he'll then start saying how we aren't the real number 1 because we haven't won in India since 1984 or so? Very Happy

Oh well. It all entertained me anyway Laughing

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