Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (V)

by Big Dog Thu 14 Jun 2012, 09:05

JGK wrote:I thought that might get a bite from BD...

I wouldn't be surprised if these awards are like mail order college degrees that are given for a price. Razz

by lardbucket Thu 14 Jun 2012, 10:15

'NICE'

by skully Thu 14 Jun 2012, 10:27

I chuckled at this story. Everyone knows that there is a designated Dirt Digger in every Govt and Opposition. Still, Tony is admirably maintaining the rage.

by Hass Thu 14 Jun 2012, 17:21

Big Dog wrote:
JGK wrote:Looks like pro-gay marriage pollies are being targeted in advance of the vote later this year.

The abusers (many of who don't sign their name) are probably pretending to have "Christian" values. Small minded qunts.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/mps-abused-over-gay-marriage-20120609-202s2.html

Shameful but lets face it, the pro Gay lobby has used the same tactics. They continually use political correctness to shut down any debate over the subject by using intimidation, threats & bullying against anyone with the temerity to have a different opinion to them.
Whether they acknowledge it or not there are millions of people whose cultural or religious beliefs do not agree with same sex marriage and they have just as much right to an opinion as the gays.

Here are some quotes from last year's rally against gay marriage. These anti-gay marriage advocates are entitled to their opinions, but I think these quotes show they are their own worst enemy.

"There is no greater evil in the world than supporters of homosexual marriage."- Rebecca Hagelin, American Conservative

"Gay is one of the most beautiful words … no-one should have the right to take that word off us. Truly this proposition deserves to be laughed at and ridiculed. It doesn’t serve any serious treatment.”-Bob Katter, Independent MP

"This is a destruction of marriage, not simply a redefinition."- Kevin Andrews, Liberal MP

"We know that the best protection for those girls is that they get themselves into a secure relationship with a loving husband and I want that to happen for them. I don't want any legislator to take that right away from me."
-Barnaby Joyce, National MP (talking about his daughters)

"My electorate accepts that all people are equal, but my electorate also accepts, in fact rejects, that not all relationships are equal."
- John Murphy, Labor MP

But to clarify my thoughts. While they are entitled to their opinion, the problem is their decision to voice it is very damaging. I've seen too many people's lives made a misery by the likes of these people for me to give them a free pass. And if calling them out on their crap makes me a bully then I don't really give a s--t!

by Mick Sawyer Fri 15 Jun 2012, 00:23

Nice contribution Hass. I don't see how pointing to a nonsense & calling it that makes you a bully.

by G.Wood Fri 15 Jun 2012, 00:30

While they are entitled to their opinion, the problem is their decision to voice it is very damaging

Granted

but it can also be excellent for a laugh

"We know that the best protection for those girls is that they get themselves into a secure relationship with a loving husband and I want that to happen for them. I don't want any legislator to take that right away from me."
-Barnaby Joyce, National MP (talking about his daughters)

by JGK Fri 15 Jun 2012, 00:45

That's our next Deputy Prime Minister you are referring to their Woody.

A bit of respect if you don't mind.

by Paul Keating Fri 15 Jun 2012, 01:10

Why wouldn't Warren Truss be our next deputy PM?

by JGK Fri 15 Jun 2012, 01:16

Independent Torbay to take on Windsor for Nationals

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/independent-torbay-to-take-on-windsor-for-nationals-20120614-20d4a.html

From the article:

Mr Torbay said there was nothing personal against Mr Windsor, who he has known for a long time. But he believed the independent brand has been damaged by Mr Windsor and Rob Oakeshott siding with Labor to form minority government.
''They've really become advocates for the Labor government, as opposed to independents assessing matters and voting on those issues accordingly,'' he said.

So, he's pissed off with Windsor for voting too often with the ALP and therefore damaging the "Independent brand" so his solution to this moral outrage is to officially join a mainstream party.

Tories are weird.

by Paul Keating Fri 15 Jun 2012, 01:24

If the voters in those electorates wanted a conservative government then they should have voted for the Coalition in 2010

Simple.

by JGK Fri 15 Jun 2012, 01:30

Sage.

And let's face it, if the Coalition had won, those electorates would have remained in the backwaters of Australian political handouts. Frankly, Windsor and Oakey should be seen as heroes by the locals.

by Paul Keating Fri 15 Jun 2012, 01:32

Typical attitude of wanting things both ways.

by G.Wood Fri 15 Jun 2012, 01:39

Paul Keating wrote:Typical attitude of wanting things both ways.

That's a phrase the real PK would be familiar with

by bodyline Fri 15 Jun 2012, 04:31

G.Wood wrote:
Paul Keating wrote:Typical attitude of wanting things both ways.

That's a phrase the real PK would be familiar with

Next time they interview the old girl, they should check if he's downloaded his bender app.

by JGK Fri 15 Jun 2012, 04:51

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/text-trail-reveals-link-between-ashby-journo-and--slippers-rivals-court-20120615-20e55.html

Looks like it is going to be hard for the Libs to have Brough run for them. Too much dirt.

by Paul Keating Fri 15 Jun 2012, 05:00

As has been said how could such a smart man do such dumb things?

Bit like Turnbull believing the whole Grech affair on no evidence whatsoever.

by JGK Fri 15 Jun 2012, 05:16

by skully Fri 15 Jun 2012, 06:42

Wow, the Pink Fitzpatrick and Patrick Fitzpink show this arvo.

by horace Fri 15 Jun 2012, 07:03

twas a pity that Brough lost his seat initially and that he is behaving in such a poorly judged manner at the moment...still it is Chipland where he is trying to get a seat ....Brough was one of the few vaguely competent Ministers in the ljh junta...he may not get up now...The steaming pile of lies in the Grech affair were pretty much laid at the door of the loony Treasury official and the libs managed to teflon their way out of it...don't know if this will be the case with slipper and poodle affair

by Big Dog Fri 15 Jun 2012, 09:34

But to clarify my thoughts. While they are entitled to their opinion, the problem is their decision to voice it is very damaging. I've seen too many people's lives made a misery by the likes of these people for me to give them a free pass. And if calling them out on their crap makes me a bully then I don't really give a s--t!.

I'm sorry but that statement is somewhat hypocritical. You immediately take the position that you are right & the rest of the world is wrong. i.e. everyone is entitled to an opinion but the Gays opinion is worth a bit more than anyone else's.
I don't know what its like where you live but here if anyone voices anything but the gay line they are immediately hit with an avalanche of Homophobic & redneck accusations by gay activists, hence my comment regarding the use of PC to stifle any debate. You are never going to get 100% of acceptance on the issue of Gay Marriage & its time the Gays accepted this. Currently it seems to me that they are guilty of the same intolerance that they used to accuse society of being against them.

by embee Fri 15 Jun 2012, 10:33

If there is an argument against gay marriage that doesn't rely on the bible or "because" as it's foundation I'd like to hear it ...

by Mick Sawyer Fri 15 Jun 2012, 10:45

Big Dog wrote:
But to clarify my thoughts. While they are entitled to their opinion, the problem is their decision to voice it is very damaging. I've seen too many people's lives made a misery by the likes of these people for me to give them a free pass. And if calling them out on their crap makes me a bully then I don't really give a s--t!.

I'm sorry but that statement is somewhat hypocritical. You immediately take the position that you are right & the rest of the world is wrong. i.e. everyone is entitled to an opinion but the Gays opinion is worth a bit more than anyone else's.
I don't know what its like where you live but here if anyone voices anything but the gay line they are immediately hit with an avalanche of Homophobic & redneck accusations by gay activists, hence my comment regarding the use of PC to stifle any debate. You are never going to get 100% of acceptance on the issue of Gay Marriage & its time the Gays accepted this. Currently it seems to me that they are guilty of the same intolerance that they used to accuse society of being against them.

BD, I think formal religion is a massive con but everyone has the opportunity to attend church if they choose. There are no bars to participation.

People are free to think what they like about homosexuality but those thoughts should not be allowed to limit the choices available to a particular sector of the community.

by skully Fri 15 Jun 2012, 10:53

Geez, politics, religion AND sex in the same thread. Laughing

by bodyline Fri 15 Jun 2012, 10:58

embee wrote:If there is an argument against gay marriage that doesn't rely on the bible or "because" as it's foundation I'd like to hear it ...

I am against gay marriage. I am not a red neck - just do not believe that marriage is a unity between same sex couples. Call it what they may, and let the gay couples live in peace without persecution or prejudice - but to me, as a debate I am a no. It has nothing to do with religious beliefs - just my value system. Sorry if it offends anyone.

by JGK Fri 15 Jun 2012, 12:19

bodyline wrote:
embee wrote:If there is an argument against gay marriage that doesn't rely on the bible or "because" as it's foundation I'd like to hear it ...

I am against gay marriage. I am not a red neck - just do not believe that marriage is a unity between same sex couples. Call it what they may, and let the gay couples live in peace without persecution or prejudice - but to me, as a debate I am a no. It has nothing to do with religious beliefs - just my value system. Sorry if it offends anyone.

But does that necessarily mean that you want to deprive others of the right? I mean, you can disagree with it but not feel that strongly that you would prevent someone who felt very strongly the other way their ability to get married as well.

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