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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (V)
by horace Mon 02 Jul 2012, 08:35
and smoking rollies...might explain the guys lack of height...
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (V)
by skully Mon 02 Jul 2012, 09:31
Speaking of smoking rollies (liberally laced with dope)...
Look out, Emerson has flipped
"LABOR has flicked the switch to vaudeville in the brawl over the carbon tax, with cabinet minister Craig Emerson ridiculing in song Tony Abbott's claim that Whyalla would be wiped off the map.
To the tune of Skyhooks' 1975 hit single Horror Movie, and with his head bobbing, Dr Emerson sang there was: “No Whyalla wipe-out there on my TV.”
[click on the linky and then play the accompanying clip]
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What a farkin twat. It's 2 days into the Carbon Tax. He is gonna look a right dickhead if Whyalla does suffer down the track.
And this is the sort of arseclown that the Pinkos are happy to have in a senior Ministry position. Dear, deary me.
Look out, Emerson has flipped
"LABOR has flicked the switch to vaudeville in the brawl over the carbon tax, with cabinet minister Craig Emerson ridiculing in song Tony Abbott's claim that Whyalla would be wiped off the map.
To the tune of Skyhooks' 1975 hit single Horror Movie, and with his head bobbing, Dr Emerson sang there was: “No Whyalla wipe-out there on my TV.”
[click on the linky and then play the accompanying clip]
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What a farkin twat. It's 2 days into the Carbon Tax. He is gonna look a right dickhead if Whyalla does suffer down the track.
And this is the sort of arseclown that the Pinkos are happy to have in a senior Ministry position. Dear, deary me.
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (V)
by Red Mon 02 Jul 2012, 09:41
Henry wrote:We may as well have the election now. Get it over and done with, get the Liberals in power, and try to rebuild some semblance of credibility in Australian politics again.
The question is- Will Labor be willing to ditch Gillard, reinstate Rudd, and try to make a belated, last ditch attempt to win the next election? Or will they prefer to go down with the Gillard ship, with countless Labor Ministers losing their seats in the process?
With Mr Rabbit at the helm!
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (V)
by lardbucket Mon 02 Jul 2012, 14:09
bodyline wrote:skully wrote:Haven't had time today to read the news headlines, but in transit between sites the wireless just told me that the latest Nielsen poll makes grim reading for the Pinkos, including 62% saying the Carbon tax is bull, and a 58/42 TPP split to the Libs.
What made me chuckle the most was that the poll was taken in NSW and Qld over the weekend and it showed a 28% support for Labor in NSW and a 22% support in Qld. The latter figure would mean there would be no Qld Federal Labor Members after the next election, if those numbers hold. PMSL @ the Goose and Krudd.
Watch this space.
Can't wait till Clive Palmer becomes Minister for the Environment and Natural Resources.
I see him as a future Minister for the Yartz.
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (V)
by embee Mon 02 Jul 2012, 15:00
The FFA will shit itself if he becomes Minister for Sport ...
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (V)
by G.Wood Tue 03 Jul 2012, 00:19
taipan wrote:G.Wood wrote:psuedafed
Today the role of Peter......
You qunt. You've said some low things in your time but that takes the cake
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (V)
by horace Tue 03 Jul 2012, 01:24
lardbucket wrote:bodyline wrote:skully wrote:Haven't had time today to read the news headlines, but in transit between sites the wireless just told me that the latest Nielsen poll makes grim reading for the Pinkos, including 62% saying the Carbon tax is bull, and a 58/42 TPP split to the Libs.
What made me chuckle the most was that the poll was taken in NSW and Qld over the weekend and it showed a 28% support for Labor in NSW and a 22% support in Qld. The latter figure would mean there would be no Qld Federal Labor Members after the next election, if those numbers hold. PMSL @ the Goose and Krudd.
Watch this space.
Can't wait till Clive Palmer becomes Minister for the Environment and Natural Resources.
I see him as a future Minister for the Yartz.
no way Lardy...Clive has said he wants to be Minister for Health...cholesterol and cuban cigars will be subsidised...all medicos will be on fixed wages and rotated for duty in the mines
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (V)
by horace Tue 03 Jul 2012, 01:26
when the "Get Up" guy "got down", everyone went to help except Sphie Mirabella who recoilled in horror...typical tory fascist who cannot deal with real life
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (V)
by horace Tue 03 Jul 2012, 01:27
unless there is a quid in it for her
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (V)
by horace Tue 03 Jul 2012, 01:32
btw Emersons singing (was it in the rain) was entertaining...I have an ex who was born in Whyalla...I'd vote to shut the place down ...it is like a concentrated Banjoland..
odd fact - Emerson used to be nicknamed Fred Astaire before the bogan hairdresser came on the scene
odd fact - Emerson used to be nicknamed Fred Astaire before the bogan hairdresser came on the scene
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (V)
by skully Tue 03 Jul 2012, 01:42
As George Brandis says, Emerson has guaranteed himself a front-and-centre spot in the Libs election campaigning next year.
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (V)
by G.Wood Tue 03 Jul 2012, 01:45
I wonder who thought it would be a good idea?
probably the same brains behind the pink bats and the CT
probably the same brains behind the pink bats and the CT
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (V)
by bodyline Tue 03 Jul 2012, 01:55
G.Wood wrote:I wonder who thought it would be a good idea?
probably the same brains behind the pink bats and the CT
Rumor is that Ruddy dropped it into the PM's "ideas box" and signed it as "Little Danny aged 7 from Dapto".
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (V)
by embee Tue 03 Jul 2012, 02:10
Emmo has form ...
In Question Time when the GST was being introduced Emmo used to wave a cardboard cutout of a cat at LJH and meow at him
In Question Time when the GST was being introduced Emmo used to wave a cardboard cutout of a cat at LJH and meow at him
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (V)
by G.Wood Tue 03 Jul 2012, 02:13
So one of the better educated pinkoes then
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (V)
by horace Tue 03 Jul 2012, 03:20
Fred Astaire and Ginga Rogers (not the cricketer) were allegedly an item before Ginga took up with the bogan hairdresser..
mind you other pollies (prolly like people in general) have also had peculiar tastes on that front ...Australia's 2nd worst tory treasurer once went out with a maoist...often wondered whether an adverse asio clearance was behind the tories and ljh's lack of support for his leadership ambitions
mind you other pollies (prolly like people in general) have also had peculiar tastes on that front ...Australia's 2nd worst tory treasurer once went out with a maoist...often wondered whether an adverse asio clearance was behind the tories and ljh's lack of support for his leadership ambitions
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (V)
by Mick Sawyer Tue 03 Jul 2012, 04:15
bodyline wrote:
Rumor is that Ruddy dropped it into the PM's "ideas box" and signed it as "Little Danny aged 7 from Dapto".
I'm betting the kid could do you in a spelling bee.
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (V)
by Mick Sawyer Tue 03 Jul 2012, 04:52
Economics and politics. Article by Tim Colebatch from Fairfax.
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Both sides have used emissions to divide us instead of uniting us.
I'VE come to think we should take more notice of economists. You might see them as impractical nerds. But look back over our long debate on how to tackle climate change, and one thing stands out: the economists got it right, the politicians got it wrong.
Last year the Economic Society of Australia surveyed its members on 46 policy issues. On some, it found economists evenly divided: on the merits of the NBN, for example, or whether Australia should promote nuclear power, whether patients should pay more of their health bills, and whether the GST should be lifted so income tax and company tax can be reduced.
But on other issues economic opinion is clear cut. Top of the list is whether taxpayers' money should be spent on big infrastructure projects without an independent publicly released cost-benefit analysis first to check the project stacks up. The survey found 85 per cent of economists want cost-benefit studies to be mandatory. (Who doesn't? Politicians.)
Advertisement: Story continues below Surprisingly, the second most clear-cut response was on climate change: 79 per cent of economists agreed that price-based mechanisms - a carbon tax, subsidies or an emissions trading scheme - are a better way to tackle climate change than using direct regulation.
Tony Abbott has an economics degree but, being Tony, I doubt that he's a paid-up member of the union; he probably didn't take part. But after his insistence that the NBN be subject to a cost-benefit analysis, we might have hoped that he would apply the same rule to his own policies. Alas, not so.
On Saturday, Abbott pledged to spend $4 billion of our money on three showpiece road projects, with no requirement that they pass a cost-benefit analysis. His Melbourne project was the East-West Link, which failed a cost-benefit analysis when proposed in 2008.
The Gillard government is now paying for the Baillieu government to try to come up with a business case for a revised plan. If it does, fine. But surely our money should not be used to pay for projects that cost more than they're worth.
Labor's cost-benefit rules are far from comprehensive, but they're better than none. It matters because the start of any new government is a chance to improve the rules - or make them worse. Abbott is signalling that, under his government, cost-benefit equations won't matter. Politics will rule.
The start of a carbon price is a rare victory for the economists, and the biggest reform by the Rudd/Gillard governments. It culminates a process that began a decade or so ago when Peter Costello, Alexander Downer and David Kemp took a joint submission to cabinet proposing a price on carbon emissions. John Howard rejected it at the time, but finally took it to the 2007 election as policy.
It should not be a left/right issue and, in most of the world, it isn't. Go to Britain, Germany, Sweden, the Netherlands, South Korea or New Zealand, and you will find Abbott's counterparts there are just as committed to carbon pricing as Julia Gillard is. (Britain's Tory PM David Cameron wrote to Gillard last year to congratulate her on the carbon tax, praising it as ''a strong and clear signal'' to the rest of the world.)
Abbott will destroy it, but future Australian governments, left and right, will bring back carbon pricing, because it is the cheapest, most effective way to tackle global warming, which, if left unchecked, could do immense damage to our world.
A carbon price works because it gives business and individuals an incentive to cut greenhouse gas emissions. Despite the Coalition's claims, it is not an economy-wide tax - if it were, it would be far bigger. Rather, it is a tax on emissions from electricity, gas and emissions-intensive industries. It will cost households $10 a week, $5 in electricity and gas bills - if we do nothing.
But the beauty of this tax is that you can avoid it, by using less electricity and gas. Of all the options to cut emissions, it pushes us towards making our use of energy more efficient.
There are many ways to do this: turning the thermostat down a degree or so, or the aircon up; replacing energy guzzlers such as plasma TVs or halogen lights with energy-efficient alternatives; just turning switches off. You pay that $5 a week only if you do nothing to adapt.
It's a decentralised, democratic way to reduce emissions: we choose how to do it, in ways that preserve profits and living standards. Treasury and the Productivity Commission had been nudging the Howard government to do it for years. They were right, and had Howard responded in time, it might have been as uncontroversial here as it was in Europe or New Zealand.
Instead, both sides derailed us into bad policies and point-scoring. If energy efficiency is the cheap way to cut emissions, putting solar panels on our roofs and paying excessive prices for the power they generate is one of the most expensive. We've finally realised that now, but the economists warned us from the start.
The politicians gave us gimmicky programs that cost us heaps, but put off the low-cost solution. Both sides used the issue to divide us, rather than unite us behind making a modest but effective start to tackling this potential crisis.
We didn't listen to the economists then. Let's start listening now.
Tim Colebatch is The Age's economics editor.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/the-economists-got-it-right-thats-the-truth-20120702-21d7q.html#ixzz1zWnW4b2C
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (V)
by Red Tue 03 Jul 2012, 05:07
What pisses of Victorians is that Mr Rabbit's proposal to fund the East-West road link which runs through one of our biggest public paths, is more than the combined cost for a rail link to Doncaster and the airport which the public are crying out for and have been for decades.
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (V)
by skully Tue 03 Jul 2012, 05:12
Er, and what is the Vulture doing for you? You are moaning about what a possible future govt might do when the current one wasted money on Pink Batts and $4 million 4 square metre school canteens? FMD.
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (V)
by Mick Sawyer Tue 03 Jul 2012, 05:16
skully wrote:Er, and what is the Vulture doing for you?
Not wasting public dollars. I thought you were keen on that?
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (V)
by skully Tue 03 Jul 2012, 05:19
Hehehe. Er, and the rest of my post, Mick. Yer kidding, right? 
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (V)
by Mick Sawyer Tue 03 Jul 2012, 05:27
skully wrote:Hehehe. Er, and the rest of my post, Mick. Yer kidding, right?
....... and what about my article?
Taking your point at face value, til the day I die I'll argue that the government needed to spend shedloads of money at that time. The fact that contractors gouged or whatever other criticism you might like to make it really doesn't matter from the economic management point of view. My only rider on that contention is that the new money in the system stayed in Australia.
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