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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (VI)
by skully Fri 21 Sep 2012, 08:03
Should be some grouse and robust discussion in 8 or 9 months in here then. 
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (VI)
by JGK Mon 24 Sep 2012, 04:15
A loss in Court for the faceless men.... of the NSW Liberal Party.
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Lid lifted on NSW black box
Date
September 24, 2012
Paul Sheehan
Sydney Morning Herald columnist
Last month Tony Abbott was given a blunt warning, by phone, from a senior member of the Liberal Party. According to notes of the conversation taken by an exceptionally reliable member of the Abbott inner circle (which is not a euphemism for Abbott), this was the warning:
''If you insist on supporting these motions there will be World War III. We will blow the division up from underneath you. You will lose the [next] election.''
This was a reference to moves inside the NSW Liberal Party to democratise the party and curb the power exercised - and routinely abused - by the state executive of the NSW Liberal Party.
To stop his state party from fracturing, Abbott has duly supported the status quo.
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The man throwing his weight around on the phone felt sufficiently powerful within the party, and sufficiently threatened by the prospect of reforms bubbling up from the grassroots, to threaten his own federal leader.
He would rather the Liberals lost the next federal election than he be allowed to lose his grip on power over the NSW government.
This is exactly why the NSW Liberal Party has become a party of black box politics, a party of questionable elections, rampant self-interest, personal fiefdoms and institutional duplicity.
Black box politics occurs when there is an accumulation of power by a small group of powerbrokers who run the party largely unencumbered by the restrictions imposed by governance, accountability or transparency.
Black box politics has been the province of the unions and the Labor Party, especially in NSW, which eventually led to the corrosion of public faith in the Labor brand and a succession of electoral disasters in the past three years.
Now the occupation of politics by a self-interested political class has spread to the NSW Liberal Party. The party has corrupted its own ideals.
During the past 12 months, the state executive has invoked ''emergency powers'' more than 100 times to impose its will on the party. It is constantly backdating elections, overriding local votes, striking out memberships, and voiding local branch elections, in the name of stability.
The NSW division of the Liberals thus operates under a state of perpetual emergency, like a government which suspends civil liberties at times of war.
Except there is no war, other than warring personalities. There have been no emergencies, let alone a hundred of them.
There is a block of 11 members of the state executive who support the use of emergency powers and black box politics.
Five of those 11 people are political lobbyists, or were until very recently working as lobbyists: Michael Photios, Joe Tannous, Hollie Hughes, Scott Farlow and Lucy Wicks.
It has become hard to tell where the Liberal Party ends and lobbying begins. Many former lobbyists are implanted within the ministerial staffs of the NSW government.
When one of these lobbyists, Lucy Wicks, was imposed on the local branches as a federal candidate, it proved to be a bridge too far. Wicks has been preselected for the central coast seat of Robertson at the next federal election.
Any leadership which incessantly invokes emergency powers and uses those powers to override grassroots democracy is asking for a revolt and that revolt duly arrived when a party member felt sufficiently aggrieved to take action after having his vote and his branch vote treated like garbage.
His name is Denis Pogson.
He is a rank-and-file party member in the Robertson electorate, a retiree who sees himself as a Menzies Liberal.
As a result of his legal action, the black box was opened for scrutiny by a Supreme Court judge.
Last week, Justice William Nicholas of the NSW Supreme Court was presented with an example of the inner workings of the NSW state executive of the Liberal Party. He did not like what he saw.
He saw the NSW Liberal Party seeking to quash a move to return power to the local branches by having preselection conducted via an open plebiscite.
This reform represents a mortal threat to black box politics. The state executive went to court to protect its prerogatives.
Not for the first time. It has spent several hundred thousand dollars in legal costs shoring up its perpetual emergency, actions which have drained the state branch's resources away from contesting the next federal election.
Justice Nicholas rejected the defence argument that the state executive could continue to act as the gatekeeper of the party's democratic process. He rejected the decision to quash the reform. He did not regard the undertakings made on behalf of the state executive as credible.
His decision is a comprehensive repudiation of the status quo.
It is a rejection of black box politics. It is a challenge to the person who has the most to lose, the person who called Tony Abbott and threatened to blow up the NSW division.
Don't be suckered into believing that what afflicts the NSW Liberals is a battle for power between liberal versus conservative, left versus right, secular versus religious.
The party's structural deformity stems from an alliance made by three men, each from different wings of the party, to introduce the special powers that have been so abused.
The three men are Michael Photios, a lobbyist, Alex Hawke, a federal MP, and David Clarke, a state MP. They have unleashed a process they can no longer control.
None of them has been asked to account for what they have done to the party. That process began in court on Friday.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/lid-lifted-on-nsw-black-box-20120923-26ewc.html#ixzz27LxVbV8p
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (VI)
by Mick Sawyer Mon 24 Sep 2012, 09:29
A loss in Court for the faceless men.... of the NSW Liberal Party.
...... and then there is George Pell & his lot ........
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (VI)
by skully Wed 26 Sep 2012, 04:20
Aye, he certainly unloaded. Basically pinkos are soulless, valueless and rotten to the core. Well, we all know that, but given he was part of Krudd's Gang of Four, it does come off a little bitter and twisted but.
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (VI)
by horace Wed 26 Sep 2012, 04:27
Poor old madmonk has had a bad couple of days...he needs a good couple of weeks to stave off Turnbull
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (VI)
by JGK Wed 26 Sep 2012, 04:31
skully wrote:Aye, he certainly unloaded. Basically pinkos are soulless, valueless and rotten to the core. Well, we all know that, but given he was part of Krudd's Gang of Four, it does come off a little bitter and twisted but.
I tend to agree. A bit disappointing from Tanner when it is clear now that Rudd was a dictatorial qunt who no one could stand working with. The fact that they got rid of him while he was still personally popular suggests Tanner is wrong about the ALP being entirely poll driven.
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (VI)
by skully Wed 26 Sep 2012, 04:32
No point changing the subject, h. Tanner has nailed the pinkos with his inside essays. 
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (VI)
by embee Wed 26 Sep 2012, 05:12
JGK wrote:skully wrote:Aye, he certainly unloaded. Basically pinkos are soulless, valueless and rotten to the core. Well, we all know that, but given he was part of Krudd's Gang of Four, it does come off a little bitter and twisted but.
I tend to agree. A bit disappointing from Tanner when it is clear now that Rudd was a dictatorial qunt who no one could stand working with. The fact that they got rid of him while he was still personally popular suggests Tanner is wrong about the ALP being entirely poll driven.
Wrong way around ya stoopid pinko
Rudd got dumped because of bad polls
The fact they havent dumped Gillard for worse polling shows the ALP isnt entirely poll driven
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (VI)
by horace Wed 26 Sep 2012, 05:31
embee is right...btw welcome back embee
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (VI)
by JGK Wed 26 Sep 2012, 07:30
Latest Morgan Polls...
http://www.roymorgan.com/news/polls/2012/4828/
http://www.roymorgan.com/news/polls/2012/4828/
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (VI)
by JGK Wed 26 Sep 2012, 09:45
Barnaby wimps out...
Joyce withdraws from lower house bid
September 26, 2012 - 6:33PM
Nationals senate leader Barnaby Joyce has headed off a potentially destabilising stoush in his party by withdrawing from a bid to take on colleague Bruce Scott in the Queensland seat of Maranoa.
Senator Joyce has kept speculation of a federal Nationals leadership tilt aflame for months as he considered a shift from the upper to the lower house at the 2013 election.
But on Wednesday, just hours after Mr Scott announced he would recontest the seat he has held since 1990, Senator Joyce put out a statement saying he would not stand for preselection.
"For the best interests of western Queensland, and its task within the common purpose of the nation, I believe an internal campaign would be an unnecessary distraction within sight of a federal election," Senator Joyce said.
Mr Scott said in his statement he had received "very strong encouragement" from across his electorate, as well as senior colleagues.
Senator Joyce said his decision to endorse Mr Scott had been made "for the purpose of unity in the Nationals and the LNP teams".
"I would like to acknowledge and thank so many who have been so kind in the strong support they have offered," he said.
"I hope my actions respect that support as I continue to work as hard as I can on their behalf. I apologise for any disappointments that may be held at this time."
Senator Joyce said there was no doubt opinion polls were "narrowing" and the federal election due in 2013 would be a "very tightly run race".
The door closed on Senator Joyce's other option, to contest the NSW seat of New England, when the Nationals conscripted high-profile independent Richard Torbay in June.
A spokesman for Senator Joyce said there were no other plans to contest a lower house seat at this stage.
A senior Liberal National Party source told AAP: "That's it."
Mr Scott, 68, gave no indication in his statement that he would stay on for a full term if re-elected.
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Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/joyce-withdraws-from-lower-house-bid-20120926-26lc6.html#ixzz27YzqyH69
Joyce withdraws from lower house bid
September 26, 2012 - 6:33PM
Nationals senate leader Barnaby Joyce has headed off a potentially destabilising stoush in his party by withdrawing from a bid to take on colleague Bruce Scott in the Queensland seat of Maranoa.
Senator Joyce has kept speculation of a federal Nationals leadership tilt aflame for months as he considered a shift from the upper to the lower house at the 2013 election.
But on Wednesday, just hours after Mr Scott announced he would recontest the seat he has held since 1990, Senator Joyce put out a statement saying he would not stand for preselection.
"For the best interests of western Queensland, and its task within the common purpose of the nation, I believe an internal campaign would be an unnecessary distraction within sight of a federal election," Senator Joyce said.
Mr Scott said in his statement he had received "very strong encouragement" from across his electorate, as well as senior colleagues.
Senator Joyce said his decision to endorse Mr Scott had been made "for the purpose of unity in the Nationals and the LNP teams".
"I would like to acknowledge and thank so many who have been so kind in the strong support they have offered," he said.
"I hope my actions respect that support as I continue to work as hard as I can on their behalf. I apologise for any disappointments that may be held at this time."
Senator Joyce said there was no doubt opinion polls were "narrowing" and the federal election due in 2013 would be a "very tightly run race".
The door closed on Senator Joyce's other option, to contest the NSW seat of New England, when the Nationals conscripted high-profile independent Richard Torbay in June.
A spokesman for Senator Joyce said there were no other plans to contest a lower house seat at this stage.
A senior Liberal National Party source told AAP: "That's it."
Mr Scott, 68, gave no indication in his statement that he would stay on for a full term if re-elected.
AAP
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/joyce-withdraws-from-lower-house-bid-20120926-26lc6.html#ixzz27YzqyH69
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (VI)
by lardbucket Wed 26 Sep 2012, 10:16
JGK wrote:skully wrote:Aye, he certainly unloaded. Basically pinkos are soulless, valueless and rotten to the core. Well, we all know that, but given he was part of Krudd's Gang of Four, it does come off a little bitter and twisted but.
I tend to agree. A bit disappointing from Tanner when it is clear now that Rudd was a dictatorial qunt who no one could stand working with
Clear NOW? Most of us who'd spent more than a second in Queensland knew before his election that he was an utterly poisonous bully-boy, obsessed with spin and his own image, and possessed of the patience and anger management skills of a 2 year old on a subsistence diet of red preservatives.
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (VI)
by JGK Wed 26 Sep 2012, 10:29
Well the rest of the country (including a fair few Qlders) had thought him grouse enough that he was able to knock off the Battler's Friend.
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (VI)
by skully Wed 26 Sep 2012, 10:30
Obviously Kevy gave Lindsay the occasional blowie in the sauna. That's the only reasonable explanation as to why he's come out in favour of Krudd.
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (VI)
by lardbucket Wed 26 Sep 2012, 10:30
The AWU sold a fair few that that poorly housetrained pup, yes.
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (VI)
by Paul Keating Wed 26 Sep 2012, 11:30
Well Gillard is overseas hence the decent poll by Morgan.
We are months away before any you Tories should be worrying about polls.
We are months away before any you Tories should be worrying about polls.
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (VI)
by skully Wed 26 Sep 2012, 11:32
Meh, just don't like seeing a massive and consistent lead evaporate. Another 4 years under the whiney bitch/green farkers coalition will be most unpleasant.
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (VI)
by horace Thu 27 Sep 2012, 01:40
pressure continues to mount on the MM, with the vile greens indicating they would do a pref deal with Turnbull
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (VI)
by skully Thu 27 Sep 2012, 01:42
Twat Latham was on the wireless this morning raving about MM bending a street sign when he was 18. Can't imagine what thuggery the crazy Pinko bully would've got up to as a teenager.
Pinkos getting increasingly desperate.
Pinkos getting increasingly desperate.
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (VI)
by skully Thu 27 Sep 2012, 01:44
Well h, it doesn't get more irrelevant than that. Who cares what those dim grubs think?horace wrote:pressure continues to mount on the MM, with the vile greens indicating they would do a pref deal with Turnbull
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (VI)
by JGK Thu 27 Sep 2012, 01:51
skully wrote:Twat Latham was on the wireless this morning raving about MM bending a street sign when he was 18. Can't imagine what thuggery the crazy Pinko bully would've got up to as a teenager.
Pinkos getting increasingly desperate.
Latham ain't no pinko. He's just a loony.
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (VI)
by horace Thu 27 Sep 2012, 01:57
skully wrote:Well h, it doesn't get more irrelevant than that. Who cares what those dim grubs think?horace wrote:pressure continues to mount on the MM, with the vile greens indicating they would do a pref deal with Turnbull
so you don't want the greens to give their preferences to the black shirts
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