This Hogg fellow

Except in very brief spells Hogg has been a disappointment so far. Don't understand why the Aussies rate him, except that he may be their version of a 'jolly good fellow' plus 'we need a spinner'?

He has been picked off reasonably easily, and save for the Ganguly wicket, there wasn't too much about him that seemed to stand out. FC/ODI player at most.

MacGill for all his temper issues etc was much much better; a wicket taker that one and his record shows it.

Dunno what all the fuss was about, honestly.

For a subi, furry, I think you've made a good point. I'd say India are pretty happy they don't have to face McGill tomorrow on this pitch.

Hogg has batted and fielded better than MacGill.

In this test, he has probably bowled as well and as badly as MacGill at his best (same number of crap balls, full tosses, long hops) and he produced wicket-taking deliveries against the Indian top order (Ganguly and Yuvraj).

A fairly good performance under pressure, with a fourth innings performance to come.

Had MacGill being playing we would have been even more farked than we are. This Hogg or Hoggyyy!! fella doesn't seem to to be much to write home about.

lardbucket wrote:Hogg has batted and fielded better than MacGill.

In this test, he has probably bowled as well and as badly as MacGill at his best (same number of crap balls, full tosses, long hops) and he produced wicket-taking deliveries against the Indian top order (Ganguly and Yuvraj).

A fairly good performance under pressure, with a fourth innings performance to come.

Think it was Ganger and Bhajji.

MacGill can't even bowl at the moment, so the point is moot.

He's only a fill-in. MacGill will be straight back in the team once he's fit.

furriner wrote:

lardbucket wrote:Hogg has batted and fielded better than MacGill.

In this test, he has probably bowled as well and as badly as MacGill at his best (same number of crap balls, full tosses, long hops) and he produced wicket-taking deliveries against the Indian top order (Ganguly and Yuvraj).

A fairly good performance under pressure, with a fourth innings performance to come.

Think it was Ganger and Bhajji.

They were the players he dismissed, yes.

He produced wicket-taking deliveries against Yuvraj and Ganguly.

furriner wrote:MacGill for all his temper issues etc was much much better; a wicket taker that one and his record shows it.

Was being the operative word. MacDill has been shit at all levels of cricket for at least 3 years. In that time Hogg has consistently outbowled him in all forms of the game.

tac wrote:He's only a fill-in. MacGill will be straight back in the team if he ever gets fit again, the fat Dubber waster.

fixed

Invader Zim wrote:

furriner wrote:MacGill for all his temper issues etc was much much better; a wicket taker that one and his record shows it.

Was being the operative word. MacDill has been shit at all levels of cricket for at least 3 years. In that time Hogg has consistently outbowled him in all forms of the game.

I dunno. A fit Hoggy looked very like an injured MacGill on Day 2.

lardbucket wrote:

furriner wrote:

lardbucket wrote:Hogg has batted and fielded better than MacGill.

In this test, he has probably bowled as well and as badly as MacGill at his best (same number of crap balls, full tosses, long hops) and he produced wicket-taking deliveries against the Indian top order (Ganguly and Yuvraj).

A fairly good performance under pressure, with a fourth innings performance to come.

Think it was Ganger and Bhajji.

They were the players he dismissed, yes.

He produced wicket-taking deliveries against Yuvraj and Ganguly.

Come on lardy, the score card says nothing about the wickets that could have been taken.

I've forgotten ... has MacGll ever bowled well at the Indians?

Invader Zim wrote:

furriner wrote:MacGill for all his temper issues etc was much much better; a wicket taker that one and his record shows it.

Was being the operative word. MacDill has been shit at all levels of cricket for at least 3 years. In that time Hogg has consistently outbowled him in all forms of the game.

Except at the Test level, so far.

furry, I'm not whinging about the umpire's error, simply observing that Hoggy produced another wicket-taking delivery against one of the top Indian batsmen. It's a tough game, Kumble missed out on a 6-for and the Indians missed a chance of dismissing Australia for around 300 in the first innings owing to an identical umpiring error.

furriner wrote:

Invader Zim wrote:

furriner wrote:MacGill for all his temper issues etc was much much better; a wicket taker that one and his record shows it.

Was being the operative word. MacDill has been shit at all levels of cricket for at least 3 years. In that time Hogg has consistently outbowled him in all forms of the game.

Except at the Test level, so far.

Erm, Hoggy has a better Test bowling average, st/rate and econ rate than MacDill this summer.

lardbucket wrote:I've forgotten ... has MacGll ever bowled well at the Indians?

Given that he bowled in only one series, you will find his average around 3 points above that of Warne. And around the same as Hogg, as of now.

That's what I thought.

Personally I doubt MacGill will ever play for Australia again. His best hope is via an overseas tour berth.

Invader Zim wrote:

furriner wrote:

Invader Zim wrote:

furriner wrote:MacGill for all his temper issues etc was much much better; a wicket taker that one and his record shows it.

Was being the operative word. MacDill has been shit at all levels of cricket for at least 3 years. In that time Hogg has consistently outbowled him in all forms of the game.

Except at the Test level, so far.

Erm, Hoggy has a better Test bowling average, st/rate and econ rate than MacDill this summer.

What is the summer made up of? I think based on two tests (SL), in one of which he was struggling because of a physical injury. And Hogg has one test so far. Not a good enough basis to say he os better at the Test level, IMO.

furry, you have to remember that zimmy tosses himself to sleep over a Hogggyyy poster every night.

And as I was saying in another thread, MacGill has a better Test career average than the Indian spin greats.

lardbucket wrote:Personally I doubt MacGill will ever play for Australia again.

So more time for that wine show then. Damn you double edged sword!

As a neutral, it seems to me that there may be a case for saying that MacGill is marked as the pr ick who should not play and Hogg as the all round good fellow who should be given a chance?

What do Australian forummers think? We all have our national peeves- Ganguly was one in India for the longest time. Shastri before him.

furriner wrote:And as I was saying in another thread, MacGill has a better Test career average than the Indian spin greats.

Well they would have bowled in India a fair bit