Re: Trivia & Quizzia 2013 (an occasional series, by whoever wishes)

by PeterCS Sun 06 Jan 2013, 12:09

Artist's impression

Trivia & Quizzia 2013 (an occasional series, by whoever wishes) - Page 2 JacksonCricketLL

by PeterCS Sun 06 Jan 2013, 12:10

1767 woodcut (I think)

Trivia & Quizzia 2013 (an occasional series, by whoever wishes) - Page 2 ALPP_-_Cricket

by Brass Monkey Sun 06 Jan 2013, 12:26

When was the first pic? Do you know? Late 1700s?

by PeterCS Sun 06 Jan 2013, 12:29

Nah, I think it's 20th century, from the style and fresh colours. But it depicts the 18th century game, in imaginative fashion (fielding positions look a bit odd).

by PeterCS Sun 06 Jan 2013, 12:33

To sign off this couple of questions then, here is a "placing" of John Nyren's typical field based on his descriptions (the classic "Young Cricketer's Tutor" of 1833). Assuming there are 11 players in the team, which was not always the case.

The field seems set for slower bowling - see for example the adjustment of where "point" should stand for faster bowling, noted a few posts above.

Trivia & Quizzia 2013 (an occasional series, by whoever wishes) - Page 2 Nyrensfield

Trivia & Quizzia 2013 (an occasional series, by whoever wishes) - Page 2 Nyrensfield

by Brass Monkey Sun 06 Jan 2013, 13:12

PeterCS wrote:(fielding positions look a bit odd).

Odd, now, yes. The original game was much more 'baseball' - doubt there was much off-side play going on.

by PeterCS Mon 07 Jan 2013, 00:36

I forgot 'umpire'

It's one of those words like [a napron > an apron], [a nuncle > an uncle], or the opposite process [an ewt > a newt], [an ekename (eke = as well, also) > a nickname], where the letter "n" switched over from one word to the other over a period of time.

"Umpire" developed out of "a noumper(e)", out of Old French "un non-per", one who is not a "peer of" either party in a contest ... someone "non-aligned".

Umpires being "unpartisan" in a competition, in other words.

by PeterCS Mon 07 Jan 2013, 00:45

Two more cricket puzzles:

1. "Byronic"

What connects "not trying", a red ball of soap, a pocketful of breadcrumbs, a team walking off an international field, a tumbling Sunny, and two volumes of poetry?

Even better, how? (Can you explain the various elements.)

2. "Adelaide"

Why was a famous grandfather with a fashionable moustache particularly annoyed with a stubborn evergreen Kiwi one Friday lunchtime in late November, 1937?

(Any contributions - part-solutions - gratefully received.)

Answers, if required, probably on Tuesday.

by PeterCS Mon 07 Jan 2013, 00:51

Oh, and I'll throw in

3. "Colossal"

In what way are Wilfred Rhodes and Raja Sir Maharaj Singh linked?

by tricycle Mon 07 Jan 2013, 01:16

The third is the oldest player in cricket. Tests and FC.

by WideWally Mon 07 Jan 2013, 02:20

PeterCS wrote:
2. "Adelaide"

Why was a famous grandfather with a fashionable moustache particularly annoyed with a stubborn evergreen Kiwi one Friday lunchtime in late November, 1937?

(Any contributions - part-solutions - gratefully received.)

Answers, if required, probably on Tuesday.

Spoiler:

by WideWally Mon 07 Jan 2013, 02:29

PeterCS wrote:Two more cricket puzzles:

1. "Byronic"

What connects "not trying", a red ball of soap, a pocketful of breadcrumbs, a team walking off an international field, a tumbling Sunny, and two volumes of poetry?

Even better, how? (Can you explain the various elements.)

(Any contributions - part-solutions - gratefully received.)

Answers, if required, probably on Tuesday.

Spoiler:

by lardbucket Mon 07 Jan 2013, 06:30

PeterCS wrote:Two more cricket puzzles:

1. "Byronic"

What connects "not trying", a red ball of soap, a pocketful of breadcrumbs, a team walking off an international field, a tumbling Sunny, and two volumes of poetry?

Even better, how? (Can you explain the various elements.)

(Any contributions - part-solutions - gratefully received.)

Answers, if required, probably on Tuesday.

Spoiler:

by PeterCS Mon 07 Jan 2013, 14:53

These have essentially been answered, so to wrap these three up:::

3. Trike is right - the oldest, at 52 and a bit in a Test, and 72 and a bit in a FC match respectively. Cricinfo gives all the details you'd need.

2. One to Wally. DG Bradman's XI v VY Richardson's XI, scheduled for 26, 27, 29 & 30 Nov 1937, though only two days were played. (Rain for two days? Or did they just call the match off as a bad job after a Monday of rain?).

http://static.espncricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1930S/1937-38/AUS_LOCAL/OTHERFC/BRADMAN-XI_RICHARDSON-XI_26-30NOV1937.html

The game, with mingled state sides, was supposed also to serve as a Test trial, it seems. Which makes the abandonment odd unless the rain was torrential.

The point is that the Chappells' grandad was retiring at that point - whereas Grimmett had every intention of carrying on (which he did for four more years!). So it was an important payday for Vic Richardson.

And the Don had recently (controversially) moved over from Sydney to Adelaide, and was a huge draw. Before he had got going (long enough for a large crowd to come in later on Friday, and better still on Saturday), Clarrie, bowling in a team alongside Don's favoured Tiger, and intensely furious that his national captain considered him over the hill and no longer capable of a proper legbreak, did Bradman with what sounds very much like a "ball of the century" (Warne-Gatting). "That'll teach him I can still bowl a leg break!!!", he is said to have yelled to his team captain Richardson - whose response was of the terse, unprintable variety.

Grimmett and Bradman had previous the year before - when the same bowler had got the same batsman twice, but not before the later had scored a match-deciding double-century ....... exactly the sort of thing Vic must have hoped to see repeated in front of 40,000 generous spectators in his joint testimonial.

http://static.espncricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1930S/1936-37/AUS_LOCAL/OTHERFC/BRADMAN-XI_RICHARDSON-XI_09-13OCT1936.html

David Mortimer's book "Classic Cricket Clangers" has more on this event, though he gets the day wrong (DGB didn't even get to bat on Saturday) and omits some of the telling facts as above.

1, 2: Wally gets the basic point here too, and Lardy cleans up on most of the details.

John Augustine Snow. Vicar's son, aptly called by John Arlott "Byronic".

"Lazy" is a bit unfair - his problem was that he was very much a big-match man, thoroughly jaded by the county game and its mismanagement. Hence he was suspended by Sussex at one point on the grounds of "not trying". There was the much-told incident in a county match in the later part of the 1960s (nobody seems to know which game) where, bored with a meandering draw, he carved a cricket ball out of red soap and bowled it to Leicestershire's Peter Marner, who whacked it to smithereens, amid general laughter ("ball exploded" was apparently marked in the scorebook, presumably as an aside). He wore (illegal) advertising before his time and was censured again, ..... whereas on the international front (as in his poetry), and when it mattered to him, he was all earnest intensity.

The Gavaskar incident (suspension again): http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/306544.html

Here is an extract from wiki (like his cricinfo profile, it's all worth reading):

However, Snow usually bowled only fast-medium in run-of-the-mill county and tour games and saved his fast bowling for Test Matches and when the mood took him on the pacey wickets at Hove. The best example is the Australian Tour of 1970-71 when he took 31 wickets (22.83) in the six tests, but only 7 wickets (71.57) in the six other first-class matches on the tour. Even in Tests "he varied his pace cleverly, rarely bowling flat-out for a whole over, but unleashing the odd very quick delivery. Just like Charlie Griffith in the West Indies side of the 1960s, Snow had the ability to drop the ball slightly short and get it to lift painfully into the batsmen's body.".As a result he struck several batsmen on the head, Greg Chappell at Hove in 1968 when he was playing for Gloucestershire and the tailenders Garth McKenzie and Terry Jenner in the Sydney Tests of 1970-71. (wiki gives more detail about the Jenner incident, which I won't C&P here ...)

The breadcumbs ..... v West Indies 1976: With England wanting a draw Snow slowed down the game by stuffing breadcrumbs in his pocket during lunch and scattering them over the wicket. Umpire Dickie Bird had to use his cap to scare away the pigeons that kept flying down to eat them. Horrendous gamemanship, but I find it funny nevertheless.

His autobiography is called "Cricket Rebel" .... elements of Trueman, Lillee (with the aluminium bat), McGrath and other bristling characters in there, often out of favour with the authorities, inconsistent or worse in inconsequential contexts - but an out-and-out, lethal matchwinner on his day. An unpredictable, sometimes ruthless maverick, a smouldering malcontent, a poet .... and a bloody dangerous fast bowler, too.

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Trivia & Quizzia 2013 (an occasional series, by whoever wishes) - Page 2 94485

by PeterCS Tue 08 Jan 2013, 01:07

Three quickies:

4. Explain the following sequence.

1892, 1892, 1892, 1926, 1947, 1977. (No others.)

5. Why was this match an important milestone in the history of cricket?
http://stats.thecricketer.com/Scorecards/1/1271.html

6. Which overseas (cricket!) tour was the first to be called off on political grounds?

by mynah Tue 08 Jan 2013, 05:21

Bradman wrote:
PeterCS wrote:Nelson - that's true to an extent (not for 444, 333, 555 though), but the question is rather, where does it come from.

It's not a patriotic celebration of the Battle of Trafalgar!

He only had one arm, one leg and one eye. Not sure about his balls, you'd have to ask Lady Emma.

No reference to his number of legs. I've always had it on good authority that it stood for one eye, one arm, one arsehole.

by Bradman Tue 08 Jan 2013, 06:14

Hehehehe!

by Bradman Tue 08 Jan 2013, 06:19

PeterCS wrote:Three quickies:

4. Explain the following sequence.

1892, 1892, 1892, 1926, 1947, 1977. (No others.)

5. Why was this match an important milestone in the history of cricket?
http://stats.thecricketer.com/Scorecards/1/1271.html

6. Which overseas (cricket!) tour was the first to be called off on political grounds?

1. No farking idea.

2. Which match?

3. Probably something involving Rhodesia or Scotland.

by Bradman Tue 08 Jan 2013, 06:23

Bradman wrote:
PeterCS wrote:Three quickies:

4. Explain the following sequence.

1892, 1892, 1892, 1926, 1947, 1977. (No others.)

5. Why was this match an important milestone in the history of cricket?
http://stats.thecricketer.com/Scorecards/1/1271.html

6. Which overseas (cricket!) tour was the first to be called off on political grounds?

1. No farking idea.

2. Which match?

3. Probably something involving Rhodesia or Scotland.

Sorry just seen the link. The most boring match in history?

by lardbucket Tue 08 Jan 2013, 08:13

PeterCS wrote:Three quickies:

4. Explain the following sequence.

1892, 1892, 1892, 1926, 1947, 1977. (No others.)

5. Why was this match an important milestone in the history of cricket?
http://stats.thecricketer.com/Scorecards/1/1271.html

6. Which overseas (cricket!) tour was the first to be called off on political grounds?

Spoiler:

by lardbucket Tue 08 Jan 2013, 08:15

Spoiler:

by WideWally Tue 08 Jan 2013, 08:35

lardbucket wrote:
PeterCS wrote:Three quickies:

4. Explain the following sequence.

1892, 1892, 1892, 1926, 1947, 1977. (No others.)

5. Why was this match an important milestone in the history of cricket?
http://stats.thecricketer.com/Scorecards/1/1271.html

6. Which overseas (cricket!) tour was the first to be called off on political grounds?

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

by tricycle Tue 08 Jan 2013, 11:47

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by Brass Monkey Tue 08 Jan 2013, 12:31

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by tricycle Tue 08 Jan 2013, 12:43

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