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Post by doremi Wed 09 Jan 2008, 13:26

And no one has said, that I'm aware of, that it's racial. I think they're arguing that Hogg insulted Kumble/Dhoni's family.
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Post by Batman Wed 09 Jan 2008, 13:26

[quote="holcs"][quote="Batman"][quote="holcs"][quote="Batman"]
Invader Zim wrote:...curry

I suggest that your repeated use of the word constantly over the last 5 days, and your constant support of Harby on this subject, not the actual ruling but the facrt he said it.

If you now agree it can be viewed as offensive, then alls sorted.

As for Bastard I believe the word is incredibly offensive also in Spain, however over here in the UK its not deemed so highly.

I never said the word monkey is not an offence in Aus. I just said it is not so in India, and only that if Sachin and Bhajji both say he didn't say it, that's enough for me to believe Symo and Punter haven't been honest. So am I still saying that they have been lying. Yes. I do believe that Bhajji is being set up unless proven otherwise. Anyways. The fnal appeal should tell us who was right and who was not. But BCCI is insistant that he be cleared.
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Post by doremi Wed 09 Jan 2008, 13:29

furriner wrote:Its a clip in which Gambhir and Afridi have a 'free and frank exchange of views' (I am not assigning blame, mind you)

Plenty of insults flying, and the one I refer to is Gambhir calling Afridi something as bad as or worse than a bastard.

It was worse. I think the charge was because the team believed that Bhajji's words were of the same level as 'bastard', and not racist.
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Post by eowyn Wed 09 Jan 2008, 13:31

So basically, Vikas, your argument boils down to you believe Indians always tell the truth and Australians always lie?
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Post by lardbucket Wed 09 Jan 2008, 13:32

Vikas, I commend your staunch faith in the serial excuses and obfuscations concocted by Harbhajan.

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Post by holcs Wed 09 Jan 2008, 13:32

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Batman wrote:
Invader Zim wrote:...curry

I suggest that your repeated use of the word constantly over the last 5 days, and your constant support of Harby on this subject, not the actual ruling but the facrt he said it.

If you now agree it can be viewed as offensive, then alls sorted.

As for Bastard I believe the word is incredibly offensive also in Spain, however over here in the UK its not deemed so highly.

I never said the word monkey is not an offence in Aus. I just said it is not so in India, and only that if Sachin and Bhajji both say he didn't say it, that's enough for me to believe Symo and Punter haven't been honest. So am I still saying that they have been lying. Yes. I do believe that Bhajji is being set up unless proven otherwise. Anyways. The fnal appeal should tell us who was right and who was not. But BCCI is insistant that he be cleared.

That is fine. You can have your views on the process as will I.

The word monkey is offensive worldwide to most people of African decent however, its not just in Aus.
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Post by holcs Wed 09 Jan 2008, 13:33

doremi wrote:
furriner wrote:Its a clip in which Gambhir and Afridi have a 'free and frank exchange of views' (I am not assigning blame, mind you)

Plenty of insults flying, and the one I refer to is Gambhir calling Afridi something as bad as or worse than a bastard.

It was worse. I think the charge was because the team believed that Bhajji's words were of the same level as 'bastard', and not racist.

Meh.. Tit for tat etc etc etc...

Rather pathetic if you ask me this whole affair. Hey Ho
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Post by lardbucket Wed 09 Jan 2008, 13:35

eowyn wrote:So basically, Vikas, your argument boils down to you believe Indians always tell the truth and Australians always lie?

He excuses Harbhajan because there is no audovisual record of him saying 'monkey' but is prepared to label a team and a nation 'lying racist cheats' although there is no proof that he did not use the word.

Recalcitrant ejacugunt.

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Post by Brass Monkey Wed 09 Jan 2008, 13:41

doremi wrote:And no one has said, that I'm aware of, that it's racial. I think they're arguing that Hogg insulted Kumble/Dhoni's family.

**gasps**

In retrograde, the following past players should be handed out level 3 charges due to family insults:

Every International cricketer of the past 130+ years.
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Post by lardbucket Wed 09 Jan 2008, 13:43

Yep.

Let's revisit the humour of 'How's your wife and my kids', 'why are you so fat', etc

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Post by Batman Wed 09 Jan 2008, 13:43

lardbucket wrote:
eowyn wrote:So basically, Vikas, your argument boils down to you believe Indians always tell the truth and Australians always lie?

He excuses Harbhajan because there is no audovisual record of him saying 'monkey' but is prepared to label a team and a nation 'lying racist cheats' although there is no proof that he did not use the word.

Recalcitrant ejacugunt.

Corrections:

Did I call Aus the country as Lying Cheating Racists? No.
Did I call SOME Aus players Lying Cheating Racists? Yes.
Did I admit that calling those players Racists may have been a bit out of line? Yes I did and I apologized for it.
Do I believe in the integrity of a player who represents my country, especially when Punter talks of Integrity and Fair Play? Yes.
Am I doing something wrong in backing my player in absolute faith? No.
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Post by Brass Monkey Wed 09 Jan 2008, 13:44

lardbucket wrote:Yep.

Let's revisit the humour of 'How's your wife and my kids', 'why are you so fat', etc

No. Let's not. You may offend some people.
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Post by bliksem Wed 09 Jan 2008, 14:08

eowyn wrote:So basically, Vikas, your argument boils down to you believe Indians always tell the truth and Australians always lie?

He's the Anti-Procter.
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Post by eowyn Wed 09 Jan 2008, 14:11

Am I doing something wrong in backing my player in absolute faith? No

Possibly not wrong but very naive.
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Post by eowyn Wed 09 Jan 2008, 14:12

bliksem wrote:
eowyn wrote:So basically, Vikas, your argument boils down to you believe Indians always tell the truth and Australians always lie?

He's the Anti-Procter.

tap for short.....
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Post by tac Wed 09 Jan 2008, 14:17

Oi, careful . . . I will not have my name taken in vain!
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Post by lardbucket Wed 09 Jan 2008, 14:19

Procter: scope broadened for Harhajan's appeal

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Post by *Buckaroo* Wed 09 Jan 2008, 14:25

eowyn wrote:So basically, Vikas, your argument boils down to you believe Indians always tell the truth and Australians always lie?

You have to understand India as a society before beginning to understand what Bat is talking about. This generation of Indian cricketers have been all bought up in a very controlled society, where they are ritually and methodically deracinated. They study in schools that do not discriminate and even in their families they are never ever told to look down upon another human being.


the main reason is that India being multi-ethnic/racial/everything society would not stick together if kids were taught otherwise. So any such tendencies are nipped very quickly in the bud. Then all there remains is that people usually prefer to marry within their community for social cohesion and social safety net, that's the only place where this caste business pops in.

So for an Indian it is extremely difficult to believe that one of their fellow-countrymen is knowingly racist. They might believe aliens from Mars have landed and they have two horns before that. Accusations of racism by Indians are met with absolute disbelief everywhere in India. They always consider themselves to be the victims.

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Post by eowyn Wed 09 Jan 2008, 14:30

tac wrote:Oi, careful . . . I will not have my name taken in vain!

How do you want it taking then?
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Post by Batman Wed 09 Jan 2008, 14:30

eowyn wrote:So basically, Vikas, your argument boils down to you believe Indians always tell the truth and Australians always lie?

I wouldn't phrase it that way. I will back Sachin and Bhajji in this case irrespective of who is at the other end or which team, unless proven otherwise. Should it emerge they are both liars or if proven so, then ban them for a year. But if it is a case of taking one side's word on another, then I will not accept the insinuation that the players representing my country are liars as seems to have happened in the hearing.


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Post by tac Wed 09 Jan 2008, 14:31

eowyn wrote:
tac wrote:Oi, careful . . . I will not have my name taken in vain!

How do you want it taking then?

Trev's mum took it up the arse . . .
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Post by *Buckaroo* Wed 09 Jan 2008, 14:36

tac wrote:
eowyn wrote:
tac wrote:Oi, careful . . . I will not have my name taken in vain!

How do you want it taking then?

Trev's mum took it up the arse . . .

She told me that she felt a pinprick.
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Post by Batman Wed 09 Jan 2008, 14:37

lardbucket wrote:Vikas, I commend your staunch faith in the serial excuses and obfuscations concocted by Harbhajan.

Or Yours in case of Symo? Happens?
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Post by tac Wed 09 Jan 2008, 14:38

*Buckaroo* wrote:
tac wrote:
eowyn wrote:
tac wrote:Oi, careful . . . I will not have my name taken in vain!

How do you want it taking then?

Trev's mum took it up the arse . . .

She told me that she felt a pinprick.

Well she would with you doing the job. I split her.
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Post by bliksem Wed 09 Jan 2008, 14:41

With who?
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