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Re: Brad Hogg Charged Under Level 3 CoC
And no one has said, that I'm aware of, that it's racial. I think they're arguing that Hogg insulted Kumble/Dhoni's family.
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[quote="holcs"][quote="Batman"][quote="holcs"][quote="Batman"]
I never said the word monkey is not an offence in Aus. I just said it is not so in India, and only that if Sachin and Bhajji both say he didn't say it, that's enough for me to believe Symo and Punter haven't been honest. So am I still saying that they have been lying. Yes. I do believe that Bhajji is being set up unless proven otherwise. Anyways. The fnal appeal should tell us who was right and who was not. But BCCI is insistant that he be cleared.
Invader Zim wrote:...curry
I suggest that your repeated use of the word constantly over the last 5 days, and your constant support of Harby on this subject, not the actual ruling but the facrt he said it.
If you now agree it can be viewed as offensive, then alls sorted.
As for Bastard I believe the word is incredibly offensive also in Spain, however over here in the UK its not deemed so highly.
I never said the word monkey is not an offence in Aus. I just said it is not so in India, and only that if Sachin and Bhajji both say he didn't say it, that's enough for me to believe Symo and Punter haven't been honest. So am I still saying that they have been lying. Yes. I do believe that Bhajji is being set up unless proven otherwise. Anyways. The fnal appeal should tell us who was right and who was not. But BCCI is insistant that he be cleared.
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furriner wrote:Its a clip in which Gambhir and Afridi have a 'free and frank exchange of views' (I am not assigning blame, mind you)
Plenty of insults flying, and the one I refer to is Gambhir calling Afridi something as bad as or worse than a bastard.
It was worse. I think the charge was because the team believed that Bhajji's words were of the same level as 'bastard', and not racist.
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So basically, Vikas, your argument boils down to you believe Indians always tell the truth and Australians always lie?
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Vikas, I commend your staunch faith in the serial excuses and obfuscations concocted by Harbhajan.
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[quote="Batman"][quote="holcs"][quote="Batman"][quote="holcs"]
That is fine. You can have your views on the process as will I.
The word monkey is offensive worldwide to most people of African decent however, its not just in Aus.
Batman wrote:Invader Zim wrote:...curry
I suggest that your repeated use of the word constantly over the last 5 days, and your constant support of Harby on this subject, not the actual ruling but the facrt he said it.
If you now agree it can be viewed as offensive, then alls sorted.
As for Bastard I believe the word is incredibly offensive also in Spain, however over here in the UK its not deemed so highly.
I never said the word monkey is not an offence in Aus. I just said it is not so in India, and only that if Sachin and Bhajji both say he didn't say it, that's enough for me to believe Symo and Punter haven't been honest. So am I still saying that they have been lying. Yes. I do believe that Bhajji is being set up unless proven otherwise. Anyways. The fnal appeal should tell us who was right and who was not. But BCCI is insistant that he be cleared.
That is fine. You can have your views on the process as will I.
The word monkey is offensive worldwide to most people of African decent however, its not just in Aus.
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doremi wrote:furriner wrote:Its a clip in which Gambhir and Afridi have a 'free and frank exchange of views' (I am not assigning blame, mind you)
Plenty of insults flying, and the one I refer to is Gambhir calling Afridi something as bad as or worse than a bastard.
It was worse. I think the charge was because the team believed that Bhajji's words were of the same level as 'bastard', and not racist.
Meh.. Tit for tat etc etc etc...
Rather pathetic if you ask me this whole affair. Hey Ho
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eowyn wrote:So basically, Vikas, your argument boils down to you believe Indians always tell the truth and Australians always lie?
He excuses Harbhajan because there is no audovisual record of him saying 'monkey' but is prepared to label a team and a nation 'lying racist cheats' although there is no proof that he did not use the word.
Recalcitrant ejacugunt.
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doremi wrote:And no one has said, that I'm aware of, that it's racial. I think they're arguing that Hogg insulted Kumble/Dhoni's family.
**gasps**
In retrograde, the following past players should be handed out level 3 charges due to family insults:
Every International cricketer of the past 130+ years.
Re: Brad Hogg Charged Under Level 3 CoC
Yep.
Let's revisit the humour of 'How's your wife and my kids', 'why are you so fat', etc
Let's revisit the humour of 'How's your wife and my kids', 'why are you so fat', etc
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lardbucket wrote:eowyn wrote:So basically, Vikas, your argument boils down to you believe Indians always tell the truth and Australians always lie?
He excuses Harbhajan because there is no audovisual record of him saying 'monkey' but is prepared to label a team and a nation 'lying racist cheats' although there is no proof that he did not use the word.
Recalcitrant ejacugunt.
Corrections:
Did I call Aus the country as Lying Cheating Racists? No.
Did I call SOME Aus players Lying Cheating Racists? Yes.
Did I admit that calling those players Racists may have been a bit out of line? Yes I did and I apologized for it.
Do I believe in the integrity of a player who represents my country, especially when Punter talks of Integrity and Fair Play? Yes.
Am I doing something wrong in backing my player in absolute faith? No.
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lardbucket wrote:Yep.
Let's revisit the humour of 'How's your wife and my kids', 'why are you so fat', etc
No. Let's not. You may offend some people.
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eowyn wrote:So basically, Vikas, your argument boils down to you believe Indians always tell the truth and Australians always lie?
He's the Anti-Procter.
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Am I doing something wrong in backing my player in absolute faith? No
Possibly not wrong but very naive.
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bliksem wrote:eowyn wrote:So basically, Vikas, your argument boils down to you believe Indians always tell the truth and Australians always lie?
He's the Anti-Procter.
tap for short.....
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Oi, careful . . . I will not have my name taken in vain!
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Procter: scope broadened for Harhajan's appeal
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eowyn wrote:So basically, Vikas, your argument boils down to you believe Indians always tell the truth and Australians always lie?
You have to understand India as a society before beginning to understand what Bat is talking about. This generation of Indian cricketers have been all bought up in a very controlled society, where they are ritually and methodically deracinated. They study in schools that do not discriminate and even in their families they are never ever told to look down upon another human being.
the main reason is that India being multi-ethnic/racial/everything society would not stick together if kids were taught otherwise. So any such tendencies are nipped very quickly in the bud. Then all there remains is that people usually prefer to marry within their community for social cohesion and social safety net, that's the only place where this caste business pops in.
So for an Indian it is extremely difficult to believe that one of their fellow-countrymen is knowingly racist. They might believe aliens from Mars have landed and they have two horns before that. Accusations of racism by Indians are met with absolute disbelief everywhere in India. They always consider themselves to be the victims.
honest !
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tac wrote:Oi, careful . . . I will not have my name taken in vain!
How do you want it taking then?
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eowyn wrote:So basically, Vikas, your argument boils down to you believe Indians always tell the truth and Australians always lie?
I wouldn't phrase it that way. I will back Sachin and Bhajji in this case irrespective of who is at the other end or which team, unless proven otherwise. Should it emerge they are both liars or if proven so, then ban them for a year. But if it is a case of taking one side's word on another, then I will not accept the insinuation that the players representing my country are liars as seems to have happened in the hearing.
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eowyn wrote:tac wrote:Oi, careful . . . I will not have my name taken in vain!
How do you want it taking then?
Trev's mum took it up the arse . . .
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tac wrote:eowyn wrote:tac wrote:Oi, careful . . . I will not have my name taken in vain!
How do you want it taking then?
Trev's mum took it up the arse . . .
She told me that she felt a pinprick.
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lardbucket wrote:Vikas, I commend your staunch faith in the serial excuses and obfuscations concocted by Harbhajan.
Or Yours in case of Symo? Happens?
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*Buckaroo* wrote:tac wrote:eowyn wrote:tac wrote:Oi, careful . . . I will not have my name taken in vain!
How do you want it taking then?
Trev's mum took it up the arse . . .
She told me that she felt a pinprick.
Well she would with you doing the job. I split her.
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