Re: Corona Virus

by lardbucket Thu 12 Mar 2020, 10:40

Big Dog wrote:Tom Hanks & his Mrs have contracted it on the Gold Coast.

"Life is like a box of chocolates ... you never know what you're going to get".

"You're going to get COVID-19".

Wonder how many hands he's shaken and autographs he's provided.

by PeterCS Thu 12 Mar 2020, 11:34

horace wrote:Interesting Pete mentioned Malthus. I suspect my views on population growth are Malthusian.

There are far too many humans than is healthy for the species or the planet. I think many folk share the view but it is the elephant in the room, it is rarely talked about.

Population control measures are considered abhorrent. There remains disdain for China's one child policy and few complain how the USA limits foreign aid to countries with abortion rights.

In most advanced capitalist economies fertility control has been commodified as a debate between personal choice (women's right to choose) v religions.

There is no debate here about the rights of people to breed or to have as many kids as they wish. There should be.

Fifteen years ago, through a partner i met a very nice woman who was 41 at the time. She had no kids but was now pregnant. She went off and had all the tests to check the status of the foetus, saying she would have a termination if there were problems.

Saw her a few months after the tests and she was in full prepping for parenthood mode. It transpired the Tests had shown there were considerable abnormalities and she had decided against termination. Here rationale was chilling:
* she had a right to be a parent
* her child had a right to happy life and would be loved
* besides community and government would take financial care for the child.

For thirty+ years I have had intermittent contact with disability issues and public policy debates. I have watched public policy move from denial of the sexuality of people with cognitive disability (with sterilisations on the quiet in institutions) to recognition of sexuality but also rights to procreate.

The roulette wheel of genetic structure increases probability that problems will be passed on. It is sort of a reversal of chucking the baby out with the bathwater.

At a bit after 5.30am I am waiting for the coffee to kick in. I worry my views owe to early 20thC eugenics and dystopian imagination.

Et tu, Horatie?

I think I did say "worse than Malthus", in fact. (Or was that somewhere else?) - - I'm not aware Malthus saluted at any particular pandemic sweeping around & passing his muster.

But I didn't expect the Spanish Flu ... or to see you hanging (albeit non-commitally, ditheringly) around the big Frankie Galton tent.

I'd have thought of you as more as a Baron de Montesquieu man - with bits of Tom Paine, Robespierre, the two Marquis (de Condorcet & de Sade) & Lautréamont thrown in at the sides.

Or, in a grumpy, browned-off, withdrawn philosophical mood, perhaps Flaming Bails' answer to Montaigne. There seems quite a Venn diagram overlap in terms of general outlook, at least:

by Red Thu 12 Mar 2020, 11:57

horace wrote:Interesting Pete mentioned Malthus. I suspect my views on population growth are Malthusian.

There are far too many humans than is healthy for the species or the planet. I think many folk share the view but it is the elephant in the room, it is rarely talked about.

Population control measures are considered abhorrent. There remains disdain for China's one child policy and few complain how the USA limits foreign aid to countries with abortion rights.

In most advanced capitalist economies fertility control has been commodified as a debate between personal choice (women's right to choose) v religions.

There is no debate here about the rights of people to breed or to have as many kids as they wish. There should be.

Fifteen years ago, through a partner i met a very nice woman who was 41 at the time. She had no kids but was now pregnant. She went off and had all the tests to check the status of the foetus, saying she would have a termination if there were problems.

Saw her a few months after the tests and she was in full prepping for parenthood mode. It transpired the Tests had shown there were considerable abnormalities and she had decided against termination. Here rationale was chilling:
* she had a right to be a parent
* her child had a right to happy life and would be loved
* besides community and government would take financial care for the child.

For thirty+ years I have had intermittent contact with disability issues and public policy debates. I have watched public policy move from denial of the sexuality of people with cognitive disability (with sterilisations on the quiet in institutions) to recognition of sexuality but also rights to procreate.

The roulette wheel of genetic structure increases probability that problems will be passed on. It is sort of a reversal of chucking the baby out with the bathwater.

At a bit after 5.30am I am waiting for the coffee to kick in. I worry my views owe to early 20thC eugenics and dystopian imagination.

Agree with you, too little focus on population control.

It always becomes an economic argument rather than the sustainability of the planet.

We could start by removing payments to families. If you want a child, pay for it.

by lardbucket Thu 12 Mar 2020, 20:15

Red wrote:We could start by removing payments to families. If you want a child, pay for it.

Incentives for infertility, penalties for big families? Doesn't sound very Red ...

The ALP vote plummets, and stocks in orphanages are rising ...

by Blackadder Thu 12 Mar 2020, 22:05

Jim Wilson
@JimWilsonTV
Standing by @CricketAus
announcement that no crowds for One Dayers today and Sunday @scg
@7NewsSydney
#coronavirus

by horace Thu 12 Mar 2020, 23:16

Grand Prix belatedly cancelled - Govt had already directed there could not be a crowd. The F1 Organisers make the ICC look competent.

by horace Thu 12 Mar 2020, 23:21

uurrkkhh... booked me and the fave ex Mrs B52 into a Patti Smith concert in late April. That will prolly be cancelled.

Arsenal coach has tested positive. Looks like EPL will go into recess.

by embee Fri 13 Mar 2020, 00:00

Blackadder wrote:Jim Wilson
@JimWilsonTV
Standing by @CricketAus
announcement that no crowds for One Dayers today and Sunday @scg
@7NewsSydney
#coronavirus

hard to tell if that is corona virus or CGAFAJAMODI

by horace Fri 13 Mar 2020, 01:29

embee wrote:
Blackadder wrote:Jim Wilson
@JimWilsonTV
Standing by @CricketAus
announcement that no crowds for One Dayers today and Sunday @scg
@7NewsSydney
#coronavirus

hard to tell if that is corona virus or CGAFAJAMODI

lol

by horace Fri 13 Mar 2020, 01:30

embee wrote:
Blackadder wrote:Jim Wilson
@JimWilsonTV
Standing by @CricketAus
announcement that no crowds for One Dayers today and Sunday @scg
@7NewsSydney
#coronavirus

hard to tell if that is corona virus or CGAFAJAMODI

lol

by Bradman Fri 13 Mar 2020, 04:58

PeterCS wrote:
horace wrote:Interesting Pete mentioned Malthus. I suspect my views on population growth are Malthusian.

There are far too many humans than is healthy for the species or the planet. I think many folk share the view but it is the elephant in the room, it is rarely talked about.

Population control measures are considered abhorrent. There remains disdain for China's one child policy and few complain how the USA limits foreign aid to countries with abortion rights.

In most advanced capitalist economies fertility control has been commodified as a debate between personal choice (women's right to choose) v religions.

There is no debate here about the rights of people to breed or to have as many kids as they wish. There should be.

Fifteen years ago, through a partner i met a very nice woman who was 41 at the time. She had no kids but was now pregnant. She went off and had all the tests to check the status of the foetus, saying she would have a termination if there were problems.

Saw her a few months after the tests and she was in full prepping for parenthood mode. It transpired the Tests had shown there were considerable abnormalities and she had decided against termination. Here rationale was chilling:
* she had a right to be a parent
* her child had a right to happy life and would be loved
* besides community and government would take financial care for the child.

For thirty+ years I have had intermittent contact with disability issues and public policy debates. I have watched public policy move from denial of the sexuality of people with cognitive disability (with sterilisations on the quiet in institutions) to recognition of sexuality but also rights to procreate.

The roulette wheel of genetic structure increases probability that problems will be passed on. It is sort of a reversal of chucking the baby out with the bathwater.

At a bit after 5.30am I am waiting for the coffee to kick in. I worry my views owe to early 20thC eugenics and dystopian imagination.

Et tu, Horatie?

I think I did say "worse than Malthus", in fact. (Or was that somewhere else?) - - I'm not aware Malthus saluted at any particular pandemic sweeping around & passing his muster.

But I didn't expect the Spanish Flu ... or to see you hanging (albeit non-commitally, ditheringly) around the big Frankie Galton tent.

I'd have thought of you as more as a Baron de Montesquieu man - with bits of Tom Paine, Robespierre, the two Marquis (de Condorcet & de Sade) & Lautréamont thrown in at the sides.

Or, in a grumpy, browned-off, withdrawn philosophical mood, perhaps Flaming Bails' answer to Montaigne. There seems quite a Venn diagram overlap in terms of general outlook, at least:

WTF did Paine come from when talking about horrie?

Sorry brain snap, I meant Robespierre.

by JGK Fri 13 Mar 2020, 05:55

embee wrote:
Blackadder wrote:Jim Wilson
@JimWilsonTV
Standing by @CricketAus
announcement that no crowds for One Dayers today and Sunday @scg
@7NewsSydney
#coronavirus

hard to tell if that is corona virus or CGAFAJAMODI

From what I understand, they had only sold about 5000 tickets so they weren't giving up much today. Would have had a bigger crowd on Sunday mind you.

by JGK Fri 13 Mar 2020, 05:58

Weirdest day in history on the Aust market - market was down over 7% again (would have been the third time this week) but then totally flipped and ended up over 4%!

by lardbucket Fri 13 Mar 2020, 07:51

Was that on the news that Dutton had CV?

by PeterCS Fri 13 Mar 2020, 10:11

BTim.radman wrote:

WTF did Paine come from when talking about horrie?

Sorry brain snap, I meant Robespierre.

Tom, not Tim.

There's nobody on this whole world wide web forum to match Horrie's sea-green incorruptibility.

by PeterCS Fri 13 Mar 2020, 10:13

JGK wrote:Weirdest day in history on the Aust market - market was down over 7% again (would have been the third time this week) but then totally flipped and ended up over 4%!

First law and Rule 101 of all financial & economic speculation: pounce like a sparrowhawk at the right moment. Hit 'em high, hit 'em low.

by tricycle Fri 13 Mar 2020, 14:44

JGK wrote:Weirdest day in history on the Aust market - market was down over 7% again (would have been the third time this week) but then totally flipped and ended up over 4%!

Same with India. 10% down.... trading was suspended. Then 4% up at close.

by skully Sat 14 Mar 2020, 00:29

Ferkin panic is more infectious then Covid-19.

Still no bog roll in the local Aldi. The pensioners and others queued up this morning and cleared every last square in under 10 mins. Dolts.

by Growler Sat 14 Mar 2020, 01:05

I'd venture that anyone needing 144 bog rolls for a two week quarantine should probably have seen their doctor several weeks ago skulls, wouldn't you agree?

by PeterCS Sat 14 Mar 2020, 01:57

Maybe they use them as ID?

by skully Sat 14 Mar 2020, 02:14

Growler wrote:I'd venture that anyone needing 144 bog rolls for a two week quarantine should probably have seen their doctor several weeks ago skulls, wouldn't you agree?

Perzackerly, Growls.

by PeterCS Sun 15 Mar 2020, 01:11

This ol' Crony Virus can't be as bad as it's been cracked up to be.

I mean, as long as elite sport carries on pretty much untroubled worldwide, you can be sure that ...

Oh.

by PeterCS Sun 15 Mar 2020, 01:17

Wait, wait ...

Dhaka Premier Division, 6th Match, at Cox's Bazar, Mar 16 2020

Mohammedan Sporting Club
vs
Shinepukur Cricket Club

seems to be going ahead as planned, barring further notice.

by Red Sun 15 Mar 2020, 01:21

skully wrote:Ferkin panic is more infectious then Covid-19.

Still no bog roll in the local Aldi. The pensioners and others queued up this morning and cleared every last square in under 10 mins. Dolts.

Well one can't get them here either. People find ways of cheating on the one packet limit by having different family members queue separately and then meet in the car-park to display their wares.

Loo paper is manufactured in oz and if everyone just kept buying normally there would be no need to panic.

Went to many supermarkets yesterday and the loo rolls shelves denuded in all.

Pasta sauce all gone too. Ditto pasta, rice most types of biscuits, much of the canned food staples, eggs etc.

by Nath Sun 15 Mar 2020, 01:38

went to Woolworths this morning, and 99% of all the frozen veggies/chips cleared out

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