"Series C" - a Big Quiz. (with a long intro/explanation: bear with me ...)
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PeterCS wrote:S7) Who was appointed captain of the defeated team for the return series?
- Spoiler:
- JWHT Douglas started the series as captain for the MCC in England in 1921, lasting 2 Tests before Lord Tennyson took over for the final 3.
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PeterCS wrote:S10) Again: by this stage (if you didn't know them already ...), you should be familiar with some of the names and faces.
a) How many of these hopeful but already jaded-looking travellers can you name?
b) Between which cities is the train (seen in the background) stopping off for a break ... & a photo?
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- a) Back row: Not sure (maybe Jack Russell), Arthur Dolphin, Wilf Rhodes
Middle Row: Abe Waddington, Manager Fred Toone
Front Row: Jack Hobbs, Rockley Wilson, Frank Woolley, not sure (maybe JWHT Douglas).
b) With the jaded clue I'm guessing Sydney and Melbourne.
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Great pic quiz Peter but it looks like skully has cleaned up
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Done an excellent job. But not quite cleaned up!
I'm busy today unfortunately, and rather than just give feedback on one or two questions - frustrating for setter and answerer - I'll have a longer go at it tomorrow with any luck.
Please feel free, anyone else, to try the questions. Skully has answered quite large bits of the quiz correctly, but there are gaps and a few errors. So, pit your wits.
I'd like then to post up a whole (extra/new) thread with answers. Why? Neater than piecemeal and unsystematic bits-and-pieces back-and-forth "responses to responses" here ...
But also: I have lots more pics, and some more info. And then finally there's a bit point of discussion I'd like to raise at the end of it.
So I'll ask Skulls to possess his soul in patience and hold his horses, cool his jets or whatever it is, I'll get back to you and the quiz/answers "in dew coarse" ...
I'm busy today unfortunately, and rather than just give feedback on one or two questions - frustrating for setter and answerer - I'll have a longer go at it tomorrow with any luck.
Please feel free, anyone else, to try the questions. Skully has answered quite large bits of the quiz correctly, but there are gaps and a few errors. So, pit your wits.
I'd like then to post up a whole (extra/new) thread with answers. Why? Neater than piecemeal and unsystematic bits-and-pieces back-and-forth "responses to responses" here ...
But also: I have lots more pics, and some more info. And then finally there's a bit point of discussion I'd like to raise at the end of it.
So I'll ask Skulls to possess his soul in patience and hold his horses, cool his jets or whatever it is, I'll get back to you and the quiz/answers "in dew coarse" ...
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Thanks Peter. Great quiz. It got me in and I couldn't let go.
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Right then ...
What I'll do is put up some sparse answers (where Skully got it right) or comments, maybe clues (where not) ... then at the end of that, make a list of the "gaps" that still exist (unanswered questions or incorrect answers so far), in case Skully or - hey - anyone else would like another/a crack at it.
Because there's life in this old quiz yet. Far from "cleaned up" - there's quite a lot of "dirt" still lying around.
In the next few days I'll then make a separate thread, with a complete unbroken, systematic list of answers with fuller info, some extra images - and as I threatened/promised, a point of discussion at the end.
"But why bother?" you might ask. "Quiz has been done, dusted, what's left to say?"
Well:
a) Skully & I can't be the only ones that find this stuff not completely lacking in interest. As I said previously, "bringing the dead to life", in a sense. (If you see what I mean, that's not a ghoulish thought. Bringing human appearances, visual shape & form, to what might otherwise be dead data, left forgotten in obscure tables.)
And:
b) Come on! Because Skully's had a thorough go at it, doesn't mean there's nowt left to see here, to consider & mull over, galvanise the brain in a couple of different areas, even (Lord help us) find out a bit of this and that about the past, about aspects of the history of cricket - and maybe, in places, aspects of society, societies. The SPOILERS are there for a reason, after all, not just for fancy ornament. The tablecloth I offer you may be dowdy, but there's a fair bit of stuff on the table. And not just cutlery.
Have a go. See how you get on. No need to write anything on here, if you prefer not. But have a look & think, pit your wits. Cheaper than buying stuff on Amazon or wherever.
But, if you're snoozing already ... I take your point. Why (do I) bother indeed!
Why bother ... with anything, except beer and procreation?
What I'll do is put up some sparse answers (where Skully got it right) or comments, maybe clues (where not) ... then at the end of that, make a list of the "gaps" that still exist (unanswered questions or incorrect answers so far), in case Skully or - hey - anyone else would like another/a crack at it.
Because there's life in this old quiz yet. Far from "cleaned up" - there's quite a lot of "dirt" still lying around.
In the next few days I'll then make a separate thread, with a complete unbroken, systematic list of answers with fuller info, some extra images - and as I threatened/promised, a point of discussion at the end.
"But why bother?" you might ask. "Quiz has been done, dusted, what's left to say?"
Well:
a) Skully & I can't be the only ones that find this stuff not completely lacking in interest. As I said previously, "bringing the dead to life", in a sense. (If you see what I mean, that's not a ghoulish thought. Bringing human appearances, visual shape & form, to what might otherwise be dead data, left forgotten in obscure tables.)
And:
b) Come on! Because Skully's had a thorough go at it, doesn't mean there's nowt left to see here, to consider & mull over, galvanise the brain in a couple of different areas, even (Lord help us) find out a bit of this and that about the past, about aspects of the history of cricket - and maybe, in places, aspects of society, societies. The SPOILERS are there for a reason, after all, not just for fancy ornament. The tablecloth I offer you may be dowdy, but there's a fair bit of stuff on the table. And not just cutlery.
Have a go. See how you get on. No need to write anything on here, if you prefer not. But have a look & think, pit your wits. Cheaper than buying stuff on Amazon or wherever.
But, if you're snoozing already ... I take your point. Why (do I) bother indeed!
Why bother ... with anything, except beer and procreation?
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Picking up with the bare-bones feedback/answers. (Feedback on Skully's answers to QQ 1 & 2 can be found above, on page2) ...
skully wrote:PeterCS wrote:3) Can you:
a) locate & name the two oldest players in Squad A?
b) (ditto), in Team B?
(You can obviously websearch for exact answers, or guesstimate on the basis of knowledge and/or appearance.)
- Spoiler:
a) 2 Oldest English players in 1920-21 squad - Rockley Wilson and Wilfred Rhodes - both born in 1870s.
b)2 Oldest Australian 1st Test players in 1920-21 - Warren Bardsley and Warwick Armstrong.
- Feedback on Skully's answers to Q3):
Oldest England players - yes to both.
But where are Rhodes (Oct 1877) and Wilson (March 1879) in the team photo (see Q1)? Note: Q3 also asked to "locate ... in Squad A".
Oldest Australia players - Armstrong yes (second oldest - May 1879); Bardsley no.
And where are those two "most senior" in the picture (Q1)? - Q3 also asked to "locate ... in Team B."
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skully wrote:PeterCS wrote:4)
a) How many in Squad A were less than 30 years old at the beginning of the series?
b) (ditto), of Team B?
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1920-21 series started on 17 Dec 1920 so...
a) 3 - PGH Fender, JW Hearne and A Waddington. H Howell turned 30 the month before the 1st Test.
b) 4 - Jack Gregory, Nip Pellew, John Taylor and Bertie Oldfield. Not sure who 12th man was. Roy Park played in 2nd Test for McCartney, but not sure if he was in T1 squad. If Park was 12th in T1 then answer is 5.
- Feedback on Skully's answers to Q4):
a) Yes to all. Abe Waddington - the "baby" of the squad of 16, at nearly 28 years of age - born Feb 1893; Fender (who always looked ancient to me, but hey): Aug 92; "Young Jack" Hearne: Feb 91; (and Harry Howell: Nov 90) - THREE out of the squad of 16 were under 30 when the series began (!)
b) Also correct on all four:
Johnny Taylor, who was Terror Turner's next Victor Trumper (big shoes to fill!) was the youngest: born Oct 1895; "Gelignite" Jack Gregory: Aug 95; Bertie Oldfield: Sept 94; "Nip" Pellew, pride of South Australia, Sept 93.
Park (born July 92) did replace "the Governor General" in the 2nd Test, but he's not in the photo. Ted McDonald also made his debut later in the series, just after his 30th birthday (Jan 1891). - Four of Australia's XII for the 1st Test, five of the 14 players Aus put out in the series, were under 30 years of age when they took the field.
If you look at the answers also to Q3, apparently small but significant difference emerges in the ages of the respective team members in the series. In an era where very young players were rare at international level, England's were significantly older. It was an old squad, for at least two reasons. TWO reasons? To be explained later! ...
Supplementary question (for Skully only?): so who IS the 12th Man in Australia's lineup for the 1st Test @ the SCG?
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skully wrote:
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a) I reckon that Reggie Spooner, who was named captain of the squad but had to pull out of the tour for domestic reasons.
b) That's the great Syd Barnes. His last Test was in 1914 before the War but continued to play for the Saltaire Cricket Club during and after the War. I believe he was asked to be part of the 1920-21 touring side (at 47!!) but declined after not having certain conditions (financial?) he required met. Ciss Parkin replaced him in the squad.
- Feedback on Skully's answers to Q5):
- Both player IDs correct!
My question was a little bit more cryptic than that, though.
The short answer is: Nothing at all. And that gets at the problem with both. ~ I'll come back to that with a little more info/material in the systematic list of answers (separate thread, upcoming).
For the moment, some basic adjustments, addressing Skully's answers:
The dashing if inconsistent and much-admired Spooner (lauded by the old salts in Oz too) withdrew three weeks after accepting (27th July - 16th August), for two separate stated reasons. Either a knee injury, or his doctor advised he was constitutionally not up to the arduous schedule of long sea journeys and a punishing 6 months tour down under, five timeless Tests, lots of other matches and travel in between. I'm not saying Spooner was a liar: perhaps both reasons made public were valid. But (an amateur, remember), he had turned down an invitation to tour Australia for the previous Ashes series there (1910-11).
Barnes' terms were primarily that he could take his wife - as the captain (& amateur) Douglas was permitted. But money was always an issue with Barnes, too, whatever you choose to make of the rights and wrongs of that. The wrangling between Barnes and the MCC went on until shortly before the England tour departed. Another unhappy element in any start to a series. btw: 47 might seem a hell of an old age for anyone considered for the tour. But Barnes looked after his fitness and health very carefully, was special - still feared in Australia because of his unfathomable trickery, despite clearly diminished speed (by 1920 he'd be rated "rmf" today, it seems.) Also: the commanding power of his character & presence. Look at those eyes - scary! ~ More of that later. And on the issue of Parkin as "his replacement".
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skully wrote:
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a) I believe that's the RMS Osterley.
b) There was an outbreak of typhoid on the ship, meaning the team had to be quarantined on arrival in Perth in Nov. 1920.
- Feedback on Skully's answers to Q6):
a) Indeed it is.
b) TyphUS rather than typhOID, I believe. (If there are any doctors in the house, they may confirm that this is the potentially lethal insect-borne affliction (ticks or fleas), not the potentially fatal food poisoning.
The question contained a bad pun: undertaking. A passenger boarding at Naples died and was taken off the ship at Colombo (where the MCC also had a scheduled stopover for a jolly old game of cricket). The consequent quarantine, where the MCC/England squad had to twiddle their thumbs and cool their heels in isolation outside Fremantle for a week, was less serious than death, but not - all things considered - a great kickoff for the tour, match abandoned.
I've also seen reference to "an outbreak of cholera" in Western Australia, although that might be fanciful, ill-informed, or sensationalist gingering-up of fact with fake news. (No new thing.)
Just to lob in one extra setback - this time more self-imposed by the MCC (more later) - three squad members caught up with the ship in France, but Bill Hitch was not on it at all, it seems. Not a great start to the tour for him, either. Weeks, presumably, on a solo passage?
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Sorry Pete. I picked the original photo almost instantly helped by your repeated references to a " return tour". Started to reread the chapters in the book I mentioned previously on the two tours, content that anyone else interested would be scrambling. Settled in and skulls was in the process of laying it bare. Any clarification of where we're at would be appreciated
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skully wrote:
- Spoiler:
a) Members of the England cricket team having their temperature taken by the nurses, during the period of quarantine forced on them after an outbreak of typhoid on board RMS Osterley, the ship carrying the team to Australia.
b) Woodman's Point in Fremantle.
c) Perhaps a beach day (the pics don't really lend themselves to IDing players - sorry).
- Feedback on Skully's answers to Q7):
a) Correct, apart from the quibble about the identity of the deadly fever (see Feedback to Q6) above)
b) Correct!
c) Not sure they would be allowed on the beach? But in any case, look at the sharp focus of the little fellow nearest the camera on something happening to the right, below them, and how all three are facing towards it (although the other small chap at the back is distracted by the camera).
What sort of diversion do men - groups of men - traditionally pursue to pass the time, when they have time on their hands?
Also, some player identifications (even in civvies!) should be possible, given the other photos in the quiz. e.g. Q1 (Squad A), Q10, Q18. ...
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Bradman wrote:Sorry Pete. I picked the original photo almost instantly helped by your repeated references to a " return tour". Started to reread the chapters in the book I mentioned previously on the two tours, content that anyone else interested would be scrambling. Settled in and skulls was in the process of laying it bare. Any clarification of where we're at would be appreciated
As explained above, Bradders
- see the heavily italicised and much-bolded post above, before I started to pick up from where I'd left off the other day (I'd already dealt with QQ1 & 2), by giving (22 + 10) SPOILERED Feedbacks to Skully's answers -
What I decided I had best do in the circs (since Skully had attempted the lot and nobody else had had a go) was:
> > Continue (always under SPOILERS) an in-sequence set of Feedbacks to Skully's answers. (That's what I've paused here, to give you this stopgap reply!)
> > Then, at the end of that full series of feedbacks, to give a full update, listing which questions still needed partial or complete correct answers.
(And later, when the dust has settled, then to set up an intact thread of fuller, more illustrated answers, for any interested, FWIW!)
If you can possess your soul in patience and wait till I've got the the end of these 22 + 10 specific-answer feedbacks, I can then give you a full update of what is still not correctly answered, or answered at all.
I hope that clarifies "where we are"!
(It's a pity in retrospect I was not able to set the whole quiz in some sort of aspic or amber, so it could be complete and intact, before anyone could lay into it. This is not a criticism of Skully, just lamenting the rather disjointed bits-and-pieces way it's gone, which I'm trying to mend as best I can with this procedure. But this is the Bails, after all. Ramshackle is its middle name..)
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Hey no problem with the process of the triv, well done. Skulls was hopping all over the place but it should be relatively simple to follow up on unanswered/incorrect stuff one by one.
Starting with the photos and clues might hav been a mistake but as some of the questions are pretty deep, not a biggie.
Starting with the photos and clues might hav been a mistake but as some of the questions are pretty deep, not a biggie.
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Oh and does anyone know where the spoiler symbol is on a Nokia 2.2?
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- Feedback on Skully's answers to Q8):
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b) TyphUS rather than typhOID, I believe. (If there are any doctors in the house, they may confirm that this is the potentially lethal insect-borne affliction (ticks or fleas), not the potentially fatal food poisoning.
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TYPHUS: A nasty rickettsial illness, mortality up to 40-50% in epidemics, transmitted mostly by human body lice not fleas, common in trenches, POW and refugee camps, wars generally, and in overcrowded ships. The infected lice crap on you and you rub the infected crap into your skin to get infected when you scratch ...
TYPHOID: Occasionally (!) transmitted by super-spreaders called Mary, this is a a bacterial illness (Salmonella typhi) transmitted via the delightful faecal-oral route, which can cause a lethal diarrhoea or be less impressive, as it was in Mary, who was almost asymptomatic, but probably passed her disease to dozens, maybe hundreds. The organism can sometimes be sequestered in the gall bladder of an asymptomatic person for years, emerging periodically to be transmitted to new unsuspecting recipients of that faecal-oral route. This is therefore the disease above all others, perhaps, that makes you hope the chef has washed his hands after his latest trip to the loo.
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(not my area of interest, but that will do as a potted version ... aren't infections terrifying when you get up close?)
b) TyphUS rather than typhOID, I believe. (If there are any doctors in the house, they may confirm that this is the potentially lethal insect-borne affliction (ticks or fleas), not the potentially fatal food poisoning.
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TYPHUS: A nasty rickettsial illness, mortality up to 40-50% in epidemics, transmitted mostly by human body lice not fleas, common in trenches, POW and refugee camps, wars generally, and in overcrowded ships. The infected lice crap on you and you rub the infected crap into your skin to get infected when you scratch ...
TYPHOID: Occasionally (!) transmitted by super-spreaders called Mary, this is a a bacterial illness (Salmonella typhi) transmitted via the delightful faecal-oral route, which can cause a lethal diarrhoea or be less impressive, as it was in Mary, who was almost asymptomatic, but probably passed her disease to dozens, maybe hundreds. The organism can sometimes be sequestered in the gall bladder of an asymptomatic person for years, emerging periodically to be transmitted to new unsuspecting recipients of that faecal-oral route. This is therefore the disease above all others, perhaps, that makes you hope the chef has washed his hands after his latest trip to the loo.
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(not my area of interest, but that will do as a potted version ... aren't infections terrifying when you get up close?)
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- Feedback on Skully's answers to Q9):
Not much to say about this famous picture, but
a) Yes
b) Yes and
c) Yes.
At the start of a historic series, as it turned out, for all the wrong reasons for Douglas and his men. But a bit more to be said about that, too. Watch this space - or rather, separate thread.
Here's the less often seen toss for the 2nd Test (at the "MCC", as it was commonly, perhaps confusingly known in those days. The "MCG" seems to have taken over later).
Just to mention: that, and all the REALLY ropey pics in this quiz are the ones I took straight from scans of the Aussie press at the time (see "Trove" resoursce in the Sources" above).
I optimised them as best I could - particularly lightening/brightening and contrast-adjusting very dark, dismal pics - so that something was vaguely discernible in them. But the digitalised collections online are clearly scanned as DOCUMENTS, not PHOTOS. Hence, it's not only that those photos are 100 years old, printed in dotty form on cheap paper for the press. They're even murkier for being archive-scanned not as photographs. But I still think there's some more than dry-archival interest in those images - they're the ones I could not find elsewhere.
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lardbucket wrote:>>>
b) TyphUS rather than typhOID, I believe. (If there are any doctors in the house, they may confirm that this is the potentially lethal insect-borne affliction (ticks or fleas), not the potentially fatal food poisoning.
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TYPHUS: A nasty rickettsial illness, mortality up to 40-50% in epidemics, transmitted mostly by human body lice not fleas, common in trenches, POW and refugee camps, wars generally, and in overcrowded ships. The infected lice crap on you and you rub the infected crap into your skin to get infected when you scratch ...
TYPHOID: Occasionally (!) transmitted by super-spreaders called Mary, this is a a bacterial illness (Salmonella typhi) transmitted via the delightful faecal-oral route, which can cause a lethal diarrhoea or be less impressive, as it was in Mary, who was almost asymptomatic, but probably passed her disease to dozens, maybe hundreds. The organism can sometimes be sequestered in the gall bladder of an asymptomatic person for years, emerging periodically to be transmitted to new unsuspecting recipients of that faecal-oral route. This is therefore the disease above all others, perhaps, that makes you hope the chef has washed his hands after his latest trip to the loo.
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(not my area of interest, but that will do as a potted version ... aren't infections terrifying when you get up close?)
Combined LOL!, UGH!! and EWWW!, and INDEED.
Also, thanks for the clarification, Your Lardship.
And/but why is so much stuff I've been posting on here lately epidemic-or-similar-related?? We "had" the Spanish flu on the Trivia thread, now this bunch of lovelies.
Plague is everywhere.
Bring out your answers!
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- Feedback on Skully's answers to Q10):
Tip-top on both counts.
The funny little Lancastrian before Paynter, you might mutter in curmudgeonly fashion, if you're a cruel Tyke (Yorkshire person).
Only ... Makepeace was Yorkshire-born, so take that, Tykes.
And a damned fine, if not entirely consistent, then a busy and conscientious #1, who scored several centuries in 1920 (always took first strike for his county). Did he play in ALL of Lancs' 28 CC games in that season? Haven't checked every last one, but it almost seems so.
But you'll probably have noticed certain implications in my wording of this question ....
And - you've guessed it - a bit more to say on Makepeace and his deployment on a separate thread. ...
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skully wrote:PeterCS wrote:skully wrote:PeterCS wrote:2) An eccentric early twist to this quiz ...
(if you prefer the more conventional questions, just move on to Q3) etc.!)
a) Locate in the photos above, & name:
One colonel, & two cricket-unrelated captains!
b) Can you name "A back4"? (= the gent not decked out in cricket togs!)
(Bonus point?
c) Can you name who 3 months later became b)'s exact counterpart in the opposing team? (He's not pictured!)
- Spoiler:
a) So you mean a military Colonel and two military captains?
b) English 1920-21 team Manager Fred Toone.
c) Australian Manager to England in 1921 Syd Smith.
- Response to Skully's A2):
a) those are the right lines ,,, or is it "stripes"?
b) and c) correct!
NOW bed ... wish me no insomnia ...
- Spoiler:
a) So you mean a military Colonel and two military captains? I reckon Lt-colonel JWHT Douglas (A Middle4) and Captain Charles Kelleway (B Back3) are two - not sure of the 3rd.
- Second Feedback on Skully's second answer to Q2, part a):
Yes, and Douglas, correct, and correctly located in the team photo.
Sometimes it seems "Colonel" was used ironically, if not sarcastically of/against Johnny. Perhaps given his impulsive, bustling ways ... or other reasons. And yes, more on Douglas too, later.
Kelleway yes, and correctly located. As for the other non-cricketing captain: have a close look at that team, and its members. Who looks to have "a captain's bearing" (I don't mean the obvious "Big Ship", who there looks more like a bloody whale, or mastodon!) Think "AIF" ....
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skully wrote:
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a) They seem to be down the wicket so I reckon bowled by Arthur Mailey - perhaps by a googly. Although Mailey didn't bowl in the 2nd so perhaps players bowled by Gregory?
b) Maybe Hobbs, Rhodes and Hendren?
- Feedback on Skully's answers to Q11):
a) All bowled by "Gelignite", indeed. In the 1st, 2nd & 3rd Tests respectively. Down the track? Perhaps the second & third batsmen at least were (maybe unwisely, but both of them characteristically) trying to "take him on"?
b) First and third of them: correct (though State Library of South Australia - fantastic resource - erroneously identifies the victim as "Douglas". That's definitely not Johnny's stature, stance or face!).
Second guess is incorrect. Though an imposing figure indeed. I know it's one of the ropey pics salvaged from a document-grade scan of an antique newspaper, but take a look at this:
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Re: "Series C" - a Big Quiz. (with a long intro/explanation: bear with me ...)
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a) Using the cartoon as a guide, perhaps JWHT Douglas c Armstrong b Mailey 7 2nd inns 1st Test, SCG Dec 1920.
b) Armstrong and JWHT Douglas.
c) The cartoonist IS the bowler Arthur Mailey.
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No problems here, on all three parts.
Original cartoon - notice how Mailey phrases it (as well as how he portrays Armstrong!):
This was the first of the incidents in the series where Douglas is described as having been "very surprised" - a euphemistic formulation of that era!
But, though the less reputable parts of the Aussie press were always quick to suggest Douglas was a cocky, petulant loser (not how the Aussie pros read it), any anger seems less than petulant. Douglas was clearly dismayed to find himself cut off trying his damnedest to make a rearguard stand on Day 5.
How other-worldly some of this reads nowadays! "The past is a foreign country"? Or were they simply more diplomatic 100 years ago?
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