Pietersen to be named as England captain

PearlJ wrote:

Perfect captaincy material then.....

Not really.

You get the impression that the arrogance KP displays is one that gives not a flying fook about anyone but himself.

I'm disappointed and quite glad that Key didn't get the captaincy. On one hand, it would have been great to see him play for and captain England. On the other hand, he can carry on playing for Kent.

Allan D wrote:Of the 78 England captains (assuming KP's fit for The Oval) KP is the 18th to be born outside England and his appointment takes South Africa above India as the most popular venue for expatriate England captains to be born in. List is (errors are all mine):

South Africa - 4 - Greig, Lamb, Strauss, Pietersen
India - 3 - Jardine, Cowdrey (MC), Hussain
Trinidad - 2 - Harris, Warner
Ireland - 2 - O'Brien, Fane
Wales - 2 - Walters, Lewis
Australia - 1 - Allen
Peru - 1- Brown
Germany - 1 - Carr
Italy - 1 - Dexter
Scotland - 1- Denness.

Maybe we should have got another Peruvian in...

Nobby Solano isn't doing much these days.

You have to feel sorry for Vaughan now. We all banged on about his lack of runs and the strange selections, and the unusually uninspiring captaincy, but when you then see the man tearful as he announces he's standing down, you kind of feel bad for criticising him. I guess it reminds us all that he cares about the England team, and that he genuinely thought he was doing the best thing for them.

Best English captain since Brearley imo, despite the sad and sorry end to his tenure. It's his batting more than anything else that led him to this decision, imo. He just couldn't justify his position in the side when he was losing AND not scoring runs himself.

Big_Bad_Bob wrote:

PearlJ wrote:

Perfect captaincy material then.....

Not really.

You get the impression that the arrogance KP displays is one that gives not a flying fook about anyone but himself.

Aye - it will all end in tears.

To elaborate - I'm not sure that "mercurial" batsmen generally make good captains. They often struggle to see things from the perspective of "lesser" batsmen and certainly not from a bowler's perspective.

Greg Chappell was the great example of this for Aust - imperious batsman, ordinary captain and leader. At least he had the good fortune of having Lillee in his side.

...and a Brother who was a good captain and leader of men...who had left him with a team that was "fairly easy" to captain

thanks be to Jupiter...the gin sodden major major types have opted for tony grieg II and not the Shermanator

Henry wrote:but when you then see the man tearful as he announces he's standing down, you kind of feel bad for criticising him.

because he crying

JGK wrote:Greg Chappell was the great example of this for Aust - imperious batsman, ordinary captain and leader. At least he had the good fortune of having Lillee in his side.

Sage.

How long before KP says he's gonna make the opposition grovel??

Jizz-slurpers. The lot of you. Presumptious.

skully wrote:

JGK wrote:Greg Chappell was the great example of this for Aust - imperious batsman, ordinary captain and leader. At least he had the good fortune of having Lillee and, for variation, young Trev in his side .

Sage.

Very sage.

History suggests that most England captains of the last 20 years have struggled to maintain their batting standards once given the captaincy. I guess the exception was Gooch. Time will tell with KP. I just hope he doesn't become a 'performs once a series' Joe average who averages 41.

Is Pietersen the first English captain to land the job after deciding it was too much hard work to get selected for the country of his birth?

bliksem wrote:Is Pietersen the first English captain to land the job after deciding it was too much hard work to get selected for the country of his birth?

He's probably the first England captain to specifically go to another country, actually change his whole cricketing game and qualify as a devastating middle-order batsman rather than a pie-tossing number 8. So, sort of worked harder to get into another country rather than hang around in his original.

He's also the first England captain to:

* - Choose be-bop as his favourite music.

* - Eat salmon with peanut butter.

* - Sing to cherubs.

* - Play the spoons at a grade 10 level.

* - Eat ice from the North Pole.

* - Snort sherbert.

* - Go skiing in Jamaica.

Brass Monkey wrote:

bliksem wrote:Is Pietersen the first English captain to land the job after deciding it was too much hard work to get selected for the country of his birth?

He's probably the first England captain to specifically go to another country, actually change his whole cricketing game and qualify as a devastating middle-order batsman rather than a pie-tossing number 8. So, sort of worked harder to get into another country rather than hang around in his original.

He's also the first England captain to:

* - Choose be-bop as his favourite music.

* - Eat salmon with peanut butter.

* - Sing to cherubs.

* - Play the spoons at a grade 10 level.

* - Eat ice from the North Pole.

* - Snort sherbert.

* - Go skiing in Jamaica.

And have a hairdresser called Shaniqua!!

holcs wrote:

Brass Monkey wrote:

bliksem wrote:Is Pietersen the first English captain to land the job after deciding it was too much hard work to get selected for the country of his birth?

He's probably the first England captain to specifically go to another country, actually change his whole cricketing game and qualify as a devastating middle-order batsman rather than a pie-tossing number 8. So, sort of worked harder to get into another country rather than hang around in his original.

He's also the first England captain to:

* - Choose be-bop as his favourite music.

* - Eat salmon with peanut butter.

* - Sing to cherubs.

* - Play the spoons at a grade 10 level.

* - Eat ice from the North Pole.

* - Snort sherbert.

* - Go skiing in Jamaica.

And have a hairdresser called Shaniqua!!

And to rinse a singer from Liberty X

holcs wrote:
And have a hairdresser called Shaniqua!!

Exactly. And only the second one to have time travelled. The other one obviously being Sir Gubby Allen.

JKLever wrote:
And to rinse a singer from Liberty X

Good one that. He also dicked Pammy A. And Caprice. Not bad.

Henry wrote:History suggests that most England captains of the last 20 years have struggled to maintain their batting standards once given the captaincy. I guess the exception was Gooch. Time will tell with KP. I just hope he doesn't become a 'performs once a series' Joe average who averages 41.

Strauss as captain in the series v Pakistan 2006 had an average of 60-odd. Overlooked for the Ashes captaincy, his form plummeted. Perhaps he had just been "found out" by the Aussies - entirely possible however that his confidence and peace of mind were also hit before he got to Oz. (Reports suggest he was distraught and had some sort of a crisis at being passed over after a successful series v Pak)

l@@k

Incidentally, this is why I think he would have been a better bet than rush-of-the-swashbuckle Kev for the present captaincy, but then ....

bliksem wrote:Is Pietersen the first English captain to land the job after deciding it was too much hard work to get selected for the country of his birth?

Not so much sage, as onions.

JKLever wrote:

holcs wrote:

Brass Monkey wrote:

bliksem wrote:Is Pietersen the first English captain to land the job after deciding it was too much hard work to get selected for the country of his birth?

He's probably the first England captain to specifically go to another country, actually change his whole cricketing game and qualify as a devastating middle-order batsman rather than a pie-tossing number 8. So, sort of worked harder to get into another country rather than hang around in his original.

He's also the first England captain to:

* - Choose be-bop as his favourite music.

* - Eat salmon with peanut butter.

* - Sing to cherubs.

* - Play the spoons at a grade 10 level.

* - Eat ice from the North Pole.

* - Snort sherbert.

* - Go skiing in Jamaica.

And have a hairdresser called Shaniqua!!

And to rinse a singer from Liberty X

I didn't realise he was so uniquely qualified to be an international cricket captain.

PeterCS wrote:
Not so much sage, as onions.

My response to his 'wibble dibble' question, though less dignified, was a f*ckload better than that dross.

Brass Monkey wrote:

JKLever wrote:
And to rinse a singer from Liberty X

Good one that. He also dicked Pammy A. And Caprice. Not bad.

Think you're getting a bit carried away, BM.









After all, he didn't have Posh.