Pietersen to be named as England captain

Our press always refers to KP as the South African playing for England.

Red wrote: I've read articles quoting him, or heard him say things along the lines of missing the animals, weather, beaches and SA lifestyle. And when questioned as to where he will live post-cricket, he replied England because that's where his wife wants to live and she's close with her family who also reside there. I also once read where he said he grew up wanting to don the green cap of South Africa.

I miss aspects of where I used to live too, hasn't everyone moved once in a while in their life?

I don't doubt for a minute that he grew up wanting to play for SA, that's not in question here.

I've no doubt he still feels Saffie too. Nout wrong with that either, I certainly don't feel any less English because i've lived in Scotland for 20 years. Nor did I feel any less Scottish because I grew up in England...

Merlin wrote:
PS - Get. Over. It.

Totally. It'll never happen though. There'll always be misty eyes and lip-quivering from bitter SAfricans, some of whom don't even live there themselves.

Red wrote:Our press always refers to KP as the South African playing for England.

Your press are sensationalist hacks, little of whom actually command any literary respect. It's a bit like saying "Moi mite Mick alwoiys calls him the Sath African"

Brass Monkey wrote:

Merlin wrote:
PS - Get. Over. It.

Totally. It'll never happen though. There'll always be misty eyes and lip-quivering from bitter SAfricans, some of whom don't even live there themselves.

Sounds to me as though you're the ones who should get over it.

I find it weird that Kevin Pietersen, who in my eyes is nothing more than a cricketing mercenary, is now England captain. I find it a strange reward for someone who took the easy way out. Get over it.

Brass Monkey wrote:

Red wrote:Our press always refers to KP as the South African playing for England.

Your press are sensationalist hacks, little of whom actually command any literary respect. It's a bit like saying "Moi mite Mick alwoiys calls him the Sath African"

Yes there was a lovely piece some Aussie journo did about our 'overseas' sporting stars. I think someone politely reminded said hack about all those representing Australia at the olympics & in their rugger team...

bliksem wrote:

Sounds to me as though you're the ones who should get over it.

I find it weird that Kevin Pietersen, who in my eyes is nothing more than a cricketing mercenary, is now England captain. I find it a strange reward for someone who took the easy way out. Get over it.

You've been unable to ascertain how KP's ride was easier by upping sticks. You've been unable to ascertain exactly how someone serving a long qualification period, paying his dues in CC and touring everywhere with England for the past three years is a cricketing mercenary. Bar the obvious, narrow-minded one that he's a SA who came to Eng.

It's alright, I've gone past hoping for a well reasoned rebuttal from you, so I don't expect one.

bliksem wrote:

Brass Monkey wrote:

Merlin wrote:
PS - Get. Over. It.

Totally. It'll never happen though. There'll always be misty eyes and lip-quivering from bitter SAfricans, some of whom don't even live there themselves.

Sounds to me as though you're the ones who should get over it.

I find it weird that Kevin Pietersen, who in my eyes is nothing more than a cricketing mercenary, is now England captain. I find it a strange reward for someone who took the easy way out. Get over it.

Fark me ... you've really REALLY got it bad, eh bliksie!

The Earls Court Road in west London is littered with Jaarpies who are all
looking at ways and means of "taking the easy way out".
Are you going to crucify them too ?
FFS - wotta joke!

Merlin wrote:The Earls Court Road in west London is littered with Jaarpies who are all
looking at ways and means of "taking the easy way out".
Are you going to crucify them too ?
FFS - wotta joke!

Surely not. Being as he's around the Saudi area.

Brass Monkey wrote:

Merlin wrote:The Earls Court Road in west London is littered with Jaarpies who are all
looking at ways and means of "taking the easy way out".
Are you going to crucify them too ?
FFS - wotta joke!

Surely not. Being as he's around the Saudi area.

Jaarpie mercenaries ... can't get away from them eh!

Interestingly enough, after Kepler Wessels returned from Australia and SA were still isolated, he was selected to captain the SA team against the English rebels in Jo'burg. The outcry in SA was huge, the sentiment being that he was a traitor and didn't deserve to be in the team, let alone captain it. In the end the selectors bowed to popular pressure and named Jimmy Cook captain. Wessels still played, but only made about 4 runs and looked thoroughly depressed (even more so than usual) for the duration of the match.

Personally, I felt the reaction to be a little harsh, especially considering SA was banned form international cricket at the time, but many felt he had simply abandoned SA because the going got tough. The mood of the country had softened somewhat by the time we were readmitted, but he has never been particularly loved since his return to SA.

Brass Monkey wrote:

bliksem wrote:

Sounds to me as though you're the ones who should get over it.

I find it weird that Kevin Pietersen, who in my eyes is nothing more than a cricketing mercenary, is now England captain. I find it a strange reward for someone who took the easy way out. Get over it.

You've been unable to ascertain how KP's ride was easier by upping sticks. You've been unable to ascertain exactly how someone serving a long qualification period, paying his dues in CC and touring everywhere with England for the past three years is a cricketing mercenary. Bar the obvious, narrow-minded one that he's a SA who came to Eng.

It's alright, I've gone past hoping for a well reasoned rebuttal from you, so I don't expect one.

Personally as the neutral poster here, I think KP's actions were in their own way courageous. What I object to is how hard he tries to prove how 'English' he is. I don't doubt that money played a part in his decision either, regardless of how hard he had to work to change countries.

bliksem wrote:Interestingly enough, after Kepler Wessels returned from Australia and SA were still isolated, he was selected to captain the SA team against the English rebels in Jo'burg. The outcry in SA was huge, the sentiment being that he was a traitor and didn't deserve to be in the team, let alone captain it. In the end the selectors bowed to popular pressure and named Jimmy Cook captain. Wessels still played, but only made about 4 runs and looked thoroughly depressed (even more so than usual) for the duration of the match.

Personally, I felt the reaction to be a little harsh, especially considering SA was banned form international cricket at the time, but many felt he had simply abandoned SA because the going got tough. The mood of the country had softened somewhat by the time we were readmitted, but he has never been particularly loved since his return to SA.

Relevance? Wrong thread? Hope so.

bliksem wrote:Interestingly enough, after Kepler Wessels returned from Australia and SA were still isolated, he was selected to captain the SA team against the English rebels in Jo'burg. The outcry in SA was huge, the sentiment being that he was a traitor and didn't deserve to be in the team, let alone captain it. In the end the selectors bowed to popular pressure and named Jimmy Cook captain. Wessels still played, but only made about 4 runs and looked thoroughly depressed (even more so than usual) for the duration of the match.

Personally, I felt the reaction to be a little harsh, especially considering SA was banned form international cricket at the time, but many felt he had simply abandoned SA because the going got tough. The mood of the country had softened somewhat by the time we were readmitted, but he has never been particularly loved since his return to SA.

I have just posted on this.

Red wrote:Personally as the neutral poster here, I think KP's actions were in their own way courageous. What I object to is how hard he tries to prove how 'English' he is. I don't doubt that money played a part in his decision either, regardless of how hard he had to work to change countries.

Agree with all of that, bar the 'neutral poster' lies.

[quote="bliksem"]Yes, thanks for that. Now, go and read the thread properly. Then your comments might actually be in context and make some sense.[/quote]

So:

[quote]
If you had an English mum, you'd have just as much right to play for England as anyone else, whether you'd tried and failed to play for SA before or not. Get over it.
[/quote]

doesn't make sense in reference to:

[quote]
I said he decided to become British because it was easier than being South African.
[/quote]

Ok then.

Brass Monkey wrote:

bliksem wrote:Interestingly enough, after Kepler Wessels returned from Australia and SA were still isolated, he was selected to captain the SA team against the English rebels in Jo'burg. The outcry in SA was huge, the sentiment being that he was a traitor and didn't deserve to be in the team, let alone captain it. In the end the selectors bowed to popular pressure and named Jimmy Cook captain. Wessels still played, but only made about 4 runs and looked thoroughly depressed (even more so than usual) for the duration of the match.

Personally, I felt the reaction to be a little harsh, especially considering SA was banned form international cricket at the time, but many felt he had simply abandoned SA because the going got tough. The mood of the country had softened somewhat by the time we were readmitted, but he has never been particularly loved since his return to SA.

Relevance? Wrong thread? Hope so.

It's relevant. Wessels has been mentioned already on this thread and we are talking cricket mercenaries.

Red wrote:Personally as the neutral poster here, I think KP's actions were in their own way courageous.

How the hell is it courageous?

Brass Monkey wrote:

bliksem wrote:

Sounds to me as though you're the ones who should get over it.

I find it weird that Kevin Pietersen, who in my eyes is nothing more than a cricketing mercenary, is now England captain. I find it a strange reward for someone who took the easy way out. Get over it.

You've been unable to ascertain how KP's ride was easier by upping sticks. You've been unable to ascertain exactly how someone serving a long qualification period, paying his dues in CC and touring everywhere with England for the past three years is a cricketing mercenary. Bar the obvious, narrow-minded one that he's a SA who came to Eng.

It's alright, I've gone past hoping for a well reasoned rebuttal from you, so I don't expect one.

As I said before, because he went from having little future in SA cricket, being unable to make the senior Natal team at the time, to having a guaranteed contract with Notts for 3 years. I have actually said that before in this thread, so it would be nice if you could read it this time instead of just blithering on about not receiving a reply.

Brass Monkey wrote:

bliksem wrote:Interestingly enough, after Kepler Wessels returned from Australia and SA were still isolated, he was selected to captain the SA team against the English rebels in Jo'burg. The outcry in SA was huge, the sentiment being that he was a traitor and didn't deserve to be in the team, let alone captain it. In the end the selectors bowed to popular pressure and named Jimmy Cook captain. Wessels still played, but only made about 4 runs and looked thoroughly depressed (even more so than usual) for the duration of the match.

Personally, I felt the reaction to be a little harsh, especially considering SA was banned form international cricket at the time, but many felt he had simply abandoned SA because the going got tough. The mood of the country had softened somewhat by the time we were readmitted, but he has never been particularly loved since his return to SA.

Relevance? Wrong thread? Hope so.

Are you actually reading this thread at all?

taipan wrote:
It's relevant. Wessels has been mentioned already on this thread and we are talking cricket mercenaries.

Wessels chopped and changed. The likes of Pietersen hasn't(yet), so he's not up for the same criticism. Whilst I concede wholeheartedly that the decision wasn't a 'Oh, hold on I feel a bit English all of a sudden, I'll go and live there' bringing up his original nationality every second post doesn't really say much either re: Allan 'I bleed Claret and White' Lamb.

Red wrote: I don't doubt that money played a part in his decision either, regardless of how hard he had to work to change countries.

It's commonly known as "reward related" earnings ...
Do you have that in Australia?
Or is the 'coinage' still sea shells and beads?

FFS - money plays a significant part in any employers rationale ...
A sportsman's shelf life isn't exactly 40 years - and as such, the future has to be catered for.

KP ranks in the top earner bracket for his sport in this country - perhaps world wide.
I think the biggest gripe Jaarpies have against KP playing for England is that he shoved
a single digit up at the SA system, climed onto a plane and headed to a place where
he could peddle his extraordinary wares. He grafted at his game, did his time ....

And he succeeded.
That IMO is what galls most Jaarps who "cannot understand the mercenary" that they label KP as.

To repeat ... Get. The. F**K. Over. It.

Brass Monkey wrote:

taipan wrote:
It's relevant. Wessels has been mentioned already on this thread and we are talking cricket mercenaries.

Wessels chopped and changed. The likes of Pietersen hasn't(yet), so he's not up for the same criticism. Whilst I concede wholeheartedly that the decision wasn't a 'Oh, hold on I feel a bit English all of a sudden, I'll go and live there' bringing up his original nationality every second post doesn't really say much either re: Allan 'I bleed Claret and White' Lamb.

No the conversation was including other players who changed country,

bliksem wrote:
As I said before, because he went from having little future in SA cricket, being unable to make the senior Natal team at the time, to having a guaranteed contract with Notts for 3 years. I have actually said that before in this thread, so it would be nice if you could read it this time instead of just blithering on about not receiving a reply.

Whoopsie - you're getting into the immature-table-thumping-whilst-wiping-away-the-tears stages. OK. There was no guarantee he was going to break into the Notts team, there was no guarantee he wouldn't have broken into the Natal team. So, what you're saying is - from a point of conjecture - it was easier. OK, I didn't realise your opinion was fact.

Merlin wrote:I think the biggest gripe Jaarpies have against KP playing for England is that he shoved
a single digit up at the SA system, climed onto a plane and headed to a place where
he could peddle his extraordinary wares. He grafted at his game, did his time ....

I can't recall one Saffie on this thread griping about KP playing for England.