Pakistan vs South Africa Test series in Pakistan

Batfink Begins wrote:Word. What I do know is Gilly should have the best ratio. Too many great bowlers providing too many chances. Stats say 4.21 dismissals per match compared to 3.9 for Boucher.

Both stats are far better than Knott, Healy and Marsh if my memory is correct. Gilly's will be higher because he had the luxury of keeping to Warne, while Boucher has never really had a spinner to boost his rate.

Dropped catches are very hard to quantify.

Gilchrist is a better keeper than many give him credit. Struggling to find a better one in international cricket at the moment.

Likewise Sanga. McCullum has improved out of sight, as well.

Nah, sorry. Technically Boucher looks the best of the lot to me.

Gilly's will be higher because he had the luxury of keeping to Warne, while Boucher has never really had a spinner to boost his rate.

You seem to think that 'keeping to a quality spinner pitching the ball into the rough is a piece of cake. Keeping to 4 fast medium bowlers is more of a 'luxury'.

Gilchrist is more than safe however, his batting is just so out of this world, he gets that mentioned more than anything.

taipan wrote:

Batfink Begins wrote:Word. What I do know is Gilly should have the best ratio. Too many great bowlers providing too many chances. Stats say 4.21 dismissals per match compared to 3.9 for Boucher.

Both stats are far better than Knott, Healy and Marsh if my memory is correct. Gilly's will be higher because he had the luxury of keeping to Warne, while Boucher has never really had a spinner to boost his rate.

Dropped catches are very hard to quantify.

that's an interesting point, taips, is it really a luxury keeping to a master spinner? I would think that places a keeper under extreme pressure? Easier to keep to 4 pacemen on greenish tracks.

taipan wrote:

Batfink Begins wrote:Word. What I do know is Gilly should have the best ratio. Too many great bowlers providing too many chances. Stats say 4.21 dismissals per match compared to 3.9 for Boucher.

Both stats are far better than Knott, Healy and Marsh if my memory is correct. Gilly's will be higher because he had the luxury of keeping to Warne, while Boucher has never really had a spinner to boost his rate.

Dropped catches are very hard to quantify.

In the 1970s if it rained all Wednesday then there would be no play on Thursday and half of Friday as well. Now they can start on time due to all the drainage. A lot more cricket is played, and the batsmen are much more positive scoring more runs per over and offering more chances. As a result the number of draws and games barely stretching into a 3rd innings have declined drastically.

If you regularly have 40 wickets falling in a Test match then the wicket keeper will always get a much greater share.

Henry wrote:

Gilly's will be higher because he had the luxury of keeping to Warne, while Boucher has never really had a spinner to boost his rate.

You seem to think that 'keeping to a quality spinner pitching the ball into the rough is a piece of cake. Keeping to 4 fast medium bowlers is more of a 'luxury'.

No, all I am saying is keeping to a quality spinner should increase your dismissal possibilities

Batfink Begins wrote:Nah, sorry. Technically Boucher looks the best of the lot to me.

Gilchrist doesn't look very pretty, the classic keeper tends to be small and nimble. But Gilchrist is very athletic despite appearing ungainly - he drops a few but also catches some absolute beauties that some keepers wouldn't get near.

Don't rate Sanga's keeping very highly, Boucher is neat and tidy most of the time but has suffered in English conditions.

Funnily enough, the 2 guys who are probably the 2 best 'keepers in the world arent playing Test cricket- Read and Taibu.

And Taibu barely gets over 2 dismissals a match.

Because his bowlers are all cack.

Gilchrist probably is the best keeper. And it's much much more hard to keep to a spinner than to a pacer.

Standing up to medium-fast bowlers is very difficult too. Jack Russell was brilliant at this.

Gary 111 wrote:Don't rate Sanga's keeping very highly, Boucher is neat and tidy most of the time but has suffered in English conditions.

But who hasn't? Boucher '03, McCullum was decidedly poor '04, Baugh is sh!t anyway, Gilchrist and Mahmud '05, Sanga was OK but there were a couple of howlers, Akmal was the worst.. dreaded, Toni looked good because of Prior. It's messy over here. In the mid 19th Century, someone was quoted saying a very good keeper in England will catch 1 out of 2 chances. Obviously times have changed a bit, but the gist of his point still stands.

Yousuf stays with Pakistan, cancels ICL contract

Good news for Pakistan. Their batting was looking really light-weight.

After watching bouchers attempts to keep to murali in the super test you would have to say he's lucky he has never had to keep to a wicket taking spinner.

please don't yell wrote:After watching bouchers attempts to keep to murali in the super test you would have to say he's lucky he has never had to keep to a wicket taking spinner.

Great, another brain donor comments.

Don't you know it takes any keeper a considerable amount of time to get used to different spinners, or should I say chucker.

Aye, he did alright considering that he'd only kept ot him for two days. He's obviously too thick though, to pick the doosra by looking at the more bent arm.

Batfink Begins wrote:Aye, he did alright considering that he'd only kept ot him for two days. He's obviously too thick though, to pick the doosra by looking at the more bent arm.

Look there's not that much difference between 15 and 25 degrees.

taipan wrote:
Look there's not that much difference between 15 and 25 degrees.

Prob not from the front. Something in my brain shouts 'BACKLEY!!!!!!' instantly when I see his his doosra coming out.

Batfink Begins wrote:

taipan wrote:
Look there's not that much difference between 15 and 25 degrees.

Prob not from the front. Something in my brain shouts 'BACKLEY!!!!!!' instantly when I see his his doosra coming out.

Is that because Sri Lanka's other spinner Upul Jan Železnýaranga is just about to come on after him and throw a slightly better doosra that turns just that little bit further?

Gary 111 wrote:Is that because Sri Lanka's other spinner Upul Jan Železnýaranga is just about to come on after him and throw a slightly better doosra that turns just that little bit further?

Yeah, but only because the first ball Murabackleytharan threw, he overstepped the line.

Batfink Begins wrote:

Gary 111 wrote:Is that because Sri Lanka's other spinner Upul Jan Železnýaranga is just about to come on after him and throw a slightly better doosra that turns just that little bit further?

Yeah, but only because the first ball Murabackleytharan threw, he overstepped the line.

The line of the law?

So I guess the Pakistan team would be something like-

1.Hafeez
2.Hameed/Butt/Taufeeq
3.Younis
4.Yousuf
5.Malik(c)
6.Misbah/Kamal/Alam
7.Akmal+
8.Tanvir/Arafat/Sami
9.Gul
10.Kaneria
11.Asif

Has a Pak squad been announced? Cant find anything on Cricinfo.

taipan wrote:The line of the law?

No the white line. He had the line of the law changed.